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Old 29th Nov 2021, 17:54
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Squawk 7000

Hi all,
It used to be that whenever I would leave a LARS or FIS basic service switching to another frequency the controller used to say "Squawk 7000". In the last year or so they seem to have switched to saying "Squawk on security" (or that's what I think they're saying). What does this new Squawk on security mean? It doesn't really matter to me because I just press VFR on my transponder which switches is to 7000 anyway but I wanted to understand in case I'm not missing anything. Can anyone clarify?
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 18:26
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It’s “conspicuity”. 7000.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 18:48
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Thanks! Seems like an odd phrase to use but at least I can read it back now.
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Or 2000 if you are flying IFR, particularly important if you want to assist the CAA identify you infringing Class E airspace.

This helpful amendment to RTF with the easy to say word which just trips off the tongue is a readback item according to CAP413.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 19:41
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In the Summer, I was passed on by F'boro LARs going into EGLM. Told me to squawk conspicuity.

Well, I couldn't say the bloomin' word and after 2 failed attempts over the busy freq. blurted out "7000 bye".


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Old 29th Nov 2021, 20:17
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Originally Posted by admuffin View Post
Hi all,
It used to be that whenever I would leave a LARS or FIS basic service switching to another frequency the controller used to say "Squawk 7000". In the last year or so they seem to have switched to saying "Squawk on security" (or that's what I think they're saying). What does this new Squawk on security mean? It doesn't really matter to me because I just press VFR on my transponder which switches is to 7000 anyway but I wanted to understand in case I'm not missing anything. Can anyone clarify?
Easier just to abbreviate it to ‘squawk conspic’. Likewise ‘freek change’ for frequency change (although I recently heard a controller say ‘QSY’, which isn’t in CAP 413).
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Originally Posted by Discorde View Post
Easier just to abbreviate it to ‘squawk conspic’. Likewise ‘freek change’ for frequency change (although I recently heard a controller say ‘QSY’, which isn’t in CAP 413).
Yes, we still say 'QSY en-route'. Showing our age.
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 13:58
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Originally Posted by Local Variation View Post
In the Summer, I was passed on by F'boro LARs going into EGLM. Told me to squawk conspicuity.

Well, I couldn't say the bloomin' word and after 2 failed attempts over the busy freq. blurted out "7000 bye".
I usually reply with either "squawking 7000" or "squawking 2000", seems to be fine.

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Old 30th Nov 2021, 15:15
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I find it abominable that they would lack the imagination to select such an intimidating form of communication that encompasses such a diabolical multisyllabic term. The articulation and enunciation of overcomplicated terminology is clearly inaccessible to all but the most eloquent. The verbalisation and pronunciation of such a sophisticated word causes undeniable animosity.
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 16:04
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Yeh, right, 'Adley. What you said. Me too ! 'Oo dreamed up conspikewiti any road ? I can' even spell it !

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Old 1st Dec 2021, 13:34
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Hadley

Thats easy for you to say!

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Old 1st Dec 2021, 14:10
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In the US they just tell you to "squawk VFR" (that's 1200 over there).
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 15:33
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On a related topic, has anyone ever been asked to "strangle the parrot"?
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On a related topic, has anyone ever been asked to "strangle the parrot"?
No, but my son has threatened to strangle our very loud canary.

My stock reply is often "Roger, going en route".
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 16:26
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Not quite, spatston. "Squawk" however came from the association with "Parrot", didn't it, which was the original NATO codename for IFF (Identification Friend or Foe ) Mk1 equipment. This basically didn't have the 4094 selectable codes of the later IFFs. The only facilities were "High", "Low", "Emerg". and "OFF".
If one was asked to Squawk "High", this stronger signal gave a form of "Ident" that we now know so well. The "Low" selection was made for normal radar tracking.
Don't think I ever heard "strangle " before......
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After a discussion with the controller, who was originally from the US, along the lines of "say again" a few times ending in "what?" as were were clearly off of standard phraseology they explained to the Brit in their circuit "Squawk standby"
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 17:25
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Not quite, spatston. "Squawk" however came from the association with "Parrot", didn't it, which was the original NATO codename for IFF (Identification Friend or Foe ) Mk1 equipment. This basically didn't have the 4094 selectable codes of the later IFFs. The only facilities were "High", "Low", "Emerg". and "OFF".
4094? That's two less than everyone else's...

8x8x8x8=?
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Oo dreamed up conspikewiti any road ? I can' even spell it !
Brits are indeed getting lower and lower on the scale of intellectual capacity, ever closer to their US'an big brother. Would Brexit be cause or effect, I wonder?

4094? That's two less than everyone else's
Could it be that, out of the theoretical 4096, two can not be selected? Or, if they could be selected, they'd make no sense? 0000 and 7777, perhaps?
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 21:53
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My flight instructor (way back in 1977) made sure that I never squawked 0000, a military drone intercept code, nor 7777, a DOD interceptor code for aircraft on active air-defense missions and operating without ATC clearance.

I never got shot at, I think.

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