Fate of RAF Scampton

[Finningley Boy]

Originally Posted by melmothtw

Just for the sake of accuracy, he compared the language being used by the Tory government today to that used in 1930s Germany. I see nothing wrong with that view.

That's fair enough but we do now live in an era of quickly perceived slights. But it isn't those defending the government necessarily who mistook what he said, James O'Brien on LBC spelt out, in defence of Lineker, which direction the government were headed in, suggesting we were on track for a similar conclusion to that of the Third Reich.

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[Finningley Boy]

Originally Posted by Timelord

I’m pretty sure the movie was filmed up the road at Hemswell so the ghostly dog must have trotted up the A15.

Well its a Ghost so it can appear wherever it likes, I suppose.

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[Finningley Boy]

Originally Posted by langleybaston

The ghost dog N****r is also said to appear in "a" group photo of the unveiling of the squadron memorial at Woodhall Spa.

That's right, I saw that photo in one of Bruce Barrymore Halpenny's Books. Apparently the dog pitched up and insisted in being in shot for the photograph. Even though they tried to shoo it away, it wouldn't leave so they relented and so the photo was taken, after, the pooch split. Same old story, nobody knew where it came from, no owner identified etc. Personally, given the circumstances, if I was there I'd have got an acute case of the Heebie Geebies.

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[langleybaston]

Originally Posted by Finningley Boy

That's right, I saw that photo in one of Bruce Barrymore Halpenny's Books. Apparently the dog pitched up and insisted in being in shot for the photograph. Even though they tried to shoo it away, it wouldn't leave so they relented and so the photo was taken, after, the pooch split. Same old story, nobody knew where it came from, no owner identified etc. Personally, given the circumstances, if I was there I'd have got an acute case of the Heebie Geebies.

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I heard it about ten years ago from a Woodhall Spa resident who "was there on the day"

[pr00ne]

Originally Posted by Finningley Boy

Media publicity sir, so many of the old bases had to go at the end of the war; Bardney, Wickenby, North Killingholme, Kelsern, Fiskerton and of course, many. many more. All Bomber Command as well. However, the Dambusters are an historic legend with a special place in UK history, if only through the circumstances of their creation and the media hype, which inevitably followed. I stand corrected Chevvron, I don't believe Faldingworth was a Thor base, but it was a satellite for Scampton and Waddington in the early V-Bomber era, might explain partly why it didn't get the Thor IRBMs as many of the afore mentioned did?!

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Faldingworth was not a satellite of Scampton or Waddington it was developed as a massive storage and servicing area for nuclear weapons and remained as such until it closed as an RF station in 1972. It was a self accounting station in it's own right housing 92 Maintenance Unit. It had extensive underground secure storage bunkers built all over the old airfield site along with married quarters and domestic and technical accommodation.
When it closed it was taken over by BMARC from Grantham as an ammunition and weapons manufacturing facility.

[retiredcrewman]

I am unable to post urls as I have insufficient post history but there is a petition that people can sign backing the regeneration plan and saving the heritage. It is available on change . org and is the most recent petition. Historians such as James Holland and Peter Caddick-Adam’s have supported us and have posted the link on their Twitter timelines.
I live in Lincoln and am part of the campaign, happy to engage and answer questions.

[chevvron]

Originally Posted by Finningley Boy

That's right, I saw that photo in one of Bruce Barrymore Halpenny's Books. Apparently the dog pitched up and insisted in being in shot for the photograph. Even though they tried to shoo it away, it wouldn't leave so they relented and so the photo was taken, after, the pooch split. Same old story, nobody knew where it came from, no owner identified etc. Personally, given the circumstances, if I was there I'd have got an acute case of the Heebie Geebies.

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Did anyone notice that, in the original film, the guard who shoo'ed N***** away from the briefing room where where they were briefing for the Dams raid.
He was none other than 'Number 6'.

[Jobza Guddun]

Originally Posted by mopardave

........again, would care and maintenance not be sensible??

Only if it was better than how existing facilities are looked after!!

[Finningley Boy]

Originally Posted by chevvron

Did anyone notice that, in the original film, the guard who shoo'ed N***** away from the briefing room where where they were briefing for the Dams raid.
He was none other than 'Number 6'.

Patrick McGoohan, I believe, later famous for the line;

"The trouble with Scotland is its full of Scots" must be said with a hint of indifference and menace. I'm a Scot by the way so I'm allowed to repeat this without anyone getting a blood vessel burst over it.

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[chevvron]

Originally Posted by Finningley Boy

Patrick McGoohan, I believe, later famous for the line;

"The trouble with Scotland is its full of Scots" must be said with a hint of indifference and menace. I'm a Scot by the way so I'm allowed to repeat this without anyone getting a blood vessel burst over it.

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Before I became an ATCO, I worked in a warehouse. One day we had a delivery in which had come straight from the studio at Borehamwood.
The driver (Irish accent) told us that he happened to see McGoohan there and went up to him to ask for his autograph assuming he would be successful being Irish himself.
McGoohan asked what he was doing there; driver said he'd just done a delivery.
"You've done your delivery now get out" said McGoohan.

[Senior Pilot]

Infernal debating of political extremes has plenty of outlets in Jet Blast; our Military forum and this thread doesn’t need to be another outlet for such angst.

Back on topic, please 👍

[mopardave]

Originally Posted by Jobza Guddun

Only if it was better than how existing facilities are looked after!!

Point taken mate. We seem to be good at letting infrastructure decay......when preventative maintenance tends to be cheaper in the long run. Anyway, the "bean counters" inevitably win the day.

[Krystal n chips]

It would appear this proposal has not gone unnoticed elsewhere....

RAF Scampton: Historians pen letter against WW2 airfield migrant plan - BBC News

[chevvron]

Strange that the Home office didn't consider Linton on Ouse when they'd already earmarked it once.
Anywhere they choose, airfield or not, would need a concerted effort to get it ready to accomodate all these people even if it will only be temporary and we already know that the infrastructure at Scampton has been massively neglected in recent years thus it would take a long time to get ready.
Course if the Army still has the temporary accomodation they built in double quick time for the 'Nightingale' hospital, it could be done, but where?
Personally I'm an advocate of putting them all on a spare cruise ship or car ferry. (Presumably Invincible, Illustrious and Ark Royal have already been disposed of)

[NutLoose]

Originally Posted by retiredcrewman

I am unable to post urls as I have insufficient post history but there is a petition that people can sign backing the regeneration plan and saving the heritage. It is available on change . org and is the most recent petition. Historians such as James Holland and Peter Caddick-Adam’s have supported us and have posted the link on their Twitter timelines.
I live in Lincoln and am part of the campaign, happy to engage and answer questions.

Welcome to the forums, the link you cannot yet post is at

https://www.change.org/p/stop-raf-sc...tion_dashboard


https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2023/03/...-centre-plans/

[retiredcrewman]

Nutloose thank you for that.
Lots going on this week. We’ve got some pieces in the papers off the back of the James Holland letter. Hopefully some TV coverage next. The developer has now stated that they are looking at other sites because of the uncertainty so we hope to force the Government’s hand this week.

[dctyke]

Originally Posted by chevvron

Strange that the Home office didn't consider Linton on Ouse when they'd already earmarked it once.
Anywhere they choose, airfield or not, would need a concerted effort to get it ready to accomodate all these people even if it will only be temporary and we already know that the infrastructure at Scampton has been massively neglected in recent years thus it would take a long time to get ready.
Course if the Army still has the temporary accomodation they built in double quick time for the 'Nightingale' hospital, it could be done, but where?
Personally I'm an advocate of putting them all on a spare cruise ship or car ferry. (Presumably Invincible, Illustrious and Ark Royal have already been disposed of)

and money had already been spent at Linton to prepare it.

[retiredcrewman]

Originally Posted by uxb99

Who will they put at Scampton? I thought all the children and babies are to be deported to Rwanda against their human rights?

I realise you are being facetious but for info the plan is for a holding centre consisting of tents/iso containers to house 1500 males prior to their deportation. The legislation currently going through parliament requires anyone who enters the country ‘illegally’ to be deported within 28 days. They would be held at Scampton during this 28 day period. Should the legislation fail or be delayed the intention is still for Scampton to be used in order to relieve pressure on hotels.

[SATCOS WHIPPING BOY]

Originally Posted by chevvron

Strange that the Home office didn't consider Linton on Ouse when they'd already earmarked it once.

Linton was eearmarked based upon the advice of a couple of clowns working for the Home Office. Linton never was suitable for what they wanted, hence it is not suitable now. The pity is that the clowns in question are still employed and attempting to repeat the fiaso again at Scampton.

I am sure there have been meetings with locals, I am sure they will have apologised for lack of consultation, and that lessons will be learned for the future blah blah blah.They will now waste more millions of the tax-payers' money on yet another unsuitable folly.

Once again I say "Good luck Scampton, do not believe a word you are told". They have very little to zero knowledge of the background of the guests, they are not processed, and they will not be secured. Do folk really believe the guests will hang around waiting for a ticket to Rwanda?

[chevvron]

Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY

Linton was earmarked based upon the advice of a couple of clowns working for the Home Office. Linton never was suitable for what they wanted, hence it is not suitable now. The pity is that the clowns in question are still employed and attempting to repeat the fiaso again at Scampton.

Civil servants or government appointed?
Whichever it is as you say they haven't a clue what to do.
Typical civil servants I would guess because the saying is you can never sack a civil servant, you can only promote them and post them. [I was civil service for the first 5 years of my career, then although I became CAA, I worked for MOD(PE) so I know the civil service mentality]
If you wanted an airfield, the obvious choice would be Manston, but as it's now in private hands, that option isn't available unless the government temporarily takes it over and it's operated unlicensed with no instrument approach procedures. The closest alternative, Lydd, is too short (only about 1500m) for the type of aircraft needed for long range operations.