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Sir David Amess, MP, stabbed

Old 15th Oct 2021, 20:55
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 21:02
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I believe, in "an eye for an eye" Simple.
Give the perpetrator the same medicine as he dished out. Oh, in public. Wembley Stadium?
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 21:06
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This thread should be about the appalling and tragic death of a constituency MP by one arsehole/madman. Why don’t the anti-immigrant brigade cease this tasteless hijacking of the thread?
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 21:09
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Originally Posted by RichardJones View Post
I believe, in "an eye for an eye" Simple.
Give the perpetrator the same medicine as he dished out. Oh, in public. Wembley Stadium?
The only trouble is life is never that "Simple"....
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 21:16
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I believe, in "an eye for an eye" Simple.
Give the perpetrator the same medicine as he dished out. Oh, in public. Wembley Stadium?
luckily for you and all of us we don’t live in Saudi Arabia. I’ve been. You wouldn’t enjoy it.

Now back to Sir David Amess. The more I read about him the more impressed I am about the man. If I lived in his constituency I’d have no problem whatsoever giving the man my vote.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 21:16
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Deluded nutjobs are available in all colours and motivations
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 21:17
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Torquetalk, for once I agree with you.

The reasons for the stabbing, idealism, mental heath, whatever, doesn't matter right now, the perpetrator is in custody and will be dealt with.

From what little I've read so far, Sir David seems to have been a well-respected Parliamentarian (I was going to read his DT obit shortly) and that he has represented Essex constituencies for an unbroken (?) 38 years says something about him - especially, as I mentioned earlier, he doesn't appear to have been an habitual headline grabber unlike many others from both sides of the House.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 21:30
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Stabbed to death. RIP

No politician or others should be subject to this regardless of their opinions or whatever rationale the stabber thought justified killing him rather than just shouting at him, going to the media, cursing him out in public, making a very rude gesture, telling people how you could run things better and then put those words into action…

If you have a serious gripe, then try to correct the wrong yourself. It is not an impossible task. Write the local paper and complain.

So much good can be done if many, or even a few, people put their mind to it that there’s no reason to kill somebody for personal glory, if that’s what this is.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 21:35
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Treadi,

I’m not sure if that means there is hope for you or me. But we can fail to sort that out ad infinitum another day 😉
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 21:51
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I would jail them first then kick them out, my belief is if you have come to this country and have been accepted as a refugee, come citizen, then if you commit a heinous crime such as rape, assault, murder, knife crime, theft etc then you should lose that privilege and be deported to whence you came.
agreed !
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 21:57
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agreed !
so you have no regard for the centuries of the rule of law of what is now the United Kingdom.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 22:04
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so you have no regard for the centuries of the rule of law of what is now the United Kingdom.
oh I have full regard fella! However, as I am sure you well know, laws should adapt an evolve to reflect the will of the people.

So, when one abuses the privileges of one’s new nation, then it seems very reasonable, almost a default position, that one would be happy to return to the nation one came from.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 22:19
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it appears to suspect was actually a British person of Somali heritage, not as some might like to be the case, a bl**dy asylum seaker.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 22:19
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The medieval concept of 'outlaw' has its merits. For certain acts one is denied the protection of the law. There is a humane case, for the benefit of society as a whole, that some acts by a person, when proven in a court of law in the usual way, places them outside the protection of a number of defined sections of ECHR. I do not believe this would deter them from their actions, but would allow (for instance) removal to their country of origin without using exercise of 'their rights' which would have been legally forfeited.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 00:24
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Reading some of the posts on this thread, I do despair that there are so many bigots who will take any opportunity to turn a tragedy into a political statement.
I disagree with virtually everything that Amess stood for, but he was a great constituency MP, unlike many others, and he will be missed.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 01:33
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Why did this person do this?

Rather than calling for their head, why not ask what was going through their mind at the time?

That way it may make it easier to prevent something similar reoccurring.

Not an excuse, just a prevention measure.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 01:46
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
I do not believe this would deter them from their actions, but would allow (for instance) removal to their country of origin without using exercise of 'their rights' which would have been legally forfeited.
As this person has been reported to be a British national, so good chance they were born in the country, where exactly are they meant to be “removed” to?
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 03:39
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It sounds a bit callous but, MPs vote for laws in parliament which allow these people in and make it difficult to deport them. Politicians don't generally live in the areas that illegals settle in and aren't affected by their behaviour.

Hopefully this will bring home the consequences of unchecked illegal immigration to those in the ivory towers making the laws. If the assailant was here legally as a refugee then it shows the need to be a bit more selective in who gets into the country.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 04:13
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He was well respected locally and took the time to appear as a character witness of a good friend who was being tucked up by the Essex constabulary after doing a citizen’s arrest of a young drug dealer (probable informer) who was using his car as a battering ram on the Chelmsford bypass. Didn’t help my mate after the CPS got the dealer’s confession struck out and the jury convicted my mate of GBA. Bit of a class war which didn’t help having a Tory MP to support you. My mate got cancer and died the following year..42..not helped by the stress especially as the scroat had been convicted of running someone over on the pavement before the incident. Brings back memories of the 60s when the whole region’s police forces were bent with the police chief constable going down for two years and my father, after being put into hospital and being forced off the road into a ditch, moved up north to escape as was in fear of his life.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 07:43
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Don't get this wrong, I think that this is appalling as much as everyone on here. However there is an irony here in that David Amess shared many of the views held by hard line Islamists. He jumped to the defence of Harvey Weinstein and his views on abortion were positively Texan. Had the killer done his due diligence he would have found that Amess was probably the MP who should have been last on his list.
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