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Old 14th Oct 2021, 09:23
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If by "gammons" you mean people who are turning pink and in danger of bursting blood vessels as they sputter their opinions held in the face of reality, then I think it long ago became far more applicable to remainers who refuse to accept the fact that, regardless of whether it was a good idea or how poorly - very - it has been implemented, Brexit is here and we have to deal with it.
As for how well businesses and people in general prepared, you only have to look at all the pilots complaining on here they were given no notice that they would need to change SOLI if they wished to keep their EASA licence. It was clearly stated in time for the first deadline in March 2019, and on from there, but many chose to bury their heads in the sand.
Apologies for the aviation content, and also I appreciate that there were people who were contractually restrained. But they were the minority.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 09:56
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There was section on BBC2 Newsnight last night where Ian Paisley Jr claimed that Boris Johnson had told him he had no intention of keeping to the NI protocol. The interview is on BBC IPlayer but was perhaps too late for the press as there is no mention in the DT. I found a summary here https://techviraltips.com/boris-john...s-ian-paisley/

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Boris Johnson promised to ‘tear up’ NI Protocol says Ian PaisleyDUPMP

Ian Paisley Junior claims that he was guaranteed by the Prime Minister before the 2019 elections NI protocol. Will be dug.

This comes after former prime minister’s adviser Dominic Cummings said that Boris Johnson never understood the real meaning of his withdrawal agreement with the European Union and that he always intended to “dig” the NI protocol.

In a series of tweets from Dominic Cummings that he always wanted to get a “trolley” – his nickname for prime minister – “pieces we didn’t like” after defeating Labor in the 2019 general election. To dig

Speaking to BBC News Night, Paisley said Boris Johnson had personally told him that after agreeing to the protocol, he would “sign up to change the protocol and tear it down”.

He added: “This comment has now been confirmed by another source in Boris Johnson’s own government.

“So, the fact is, I’m sure the government didn’t really want that to happen to Northern Ireland and they made a short-term bet. We have suffered losses that we cannot bear, so we have to fix it and fix it.

The BBC reported that talks between Mr Paisley and Mr Johnson took place before the 2019 general election and before the first Commons vote on the evacuation agreement on October 22.

The European Union (EU) has announced plans to reduce post-Brexit checks on goods and medicines arriving in Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK.

Under the new plan, about 80 per cent of EU spot checks will be removed and customs paperwork will be reduced by 50 per cent.

Asked what he thought of the concessions, Mr Paisley described them as “a major setback”.

“Over the last 10 months the EU has consistently told us that it was written in stone, in fact it was more sacred than the Ten Commandments, it could never be changed, and now all of a sudden they have come up with suggestions that a mindset. Indicate that they are ready to change it.

“But it’s much less than it should be.”
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 10:12
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
There was section on BBC2 Newsnight last night where Ian Paisley Jr claimed that Boris Johnson had told him he had no intention of keeping to the NI protocol. The interview is on BBC IPlayer but was perhaps too late for the press as there is no mention in the DT. I found a summary here https://techviraltips.com/boris-john...s-ian-paisley/

Quote:
Boris Johnson promised to ‘tear up’ NI Protocol says Ian PaisleyDUPMP

Ian Paisley Junior claims that he was guaranteed by the Prime Minister before the 2019 elections NI protocol. Will be dug.

This comes after former prime minister’s adviser Dominic Cummings said that Boris Johnson never understood the real meaning of his withdrawal agreement with the European Union and that he always intended to “dig” the NI protocol.

In a series of tweets from Dominic Cummings that he always wanted to get a “trolley” – his nickname for prime minister – “pieces we didn’t like” after defeating Labor in the 2019 general election. To dig

Speaking to BBC News Night, Paisley said Boris Johnson had personally told him that after agreeing to the protocol, he would “sign up to change the protocol and tear it down”.

He added: “This comment has now been confirmed by another source in Boris Johnson’s own government.

“So, the fact is, I’m sure the government didn’t really want that to happen to Northern Ireland and they made a short-term bet. We have suffered losses that we cannot bear, so we have to fix it and fix it.

The BBC reported that talks between Mr Paisley and Mr Johnson took place before the 2019 general election and before the first Commons vote on the evacuation agreement on October 22.

The European Union (EU) has announced plans to reduce post-Brexit checks on goods and medicines arriving in Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK.

Under the new plan, about 80 per cent of EU spot checks will be removed and customs paperwork will be reduced by 50 per cent.

Asked what he thought of the concessions, Mr Paisley described them as “a major setback”.

“Over the last 10 months the EU has consistently told us that it was written in stone, in fact it was more sacred than the Ten Commandments, it could never be changed, and now all of a sudden they have come up with suggestions that a mindset. Indicate that they are ready to change it.

“But it’s much less than it should be.”
A prime example of what Leo Varadkar meant when said other countries can no longer trust the British to keep their word. What a desperately sad state of affairs for a once great nation.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 10:16
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
A prime example of what Leo Varadkar meant when said other countries can no longer trust the British to keep their word. What a desperately sad state of affairs for a once great nation.
Yet some people still wonder why a large number of Scots want nothing more to do with the Union.

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Old 14th Oct 2021, 10:38
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rotocol-brexit


In a series of tweets, Cummings appeared relaxed about changes to the protocol. “Shd we generally stick to deals? Of course. Sometimes break them? Of course. Just like the EU, US, China and every other state does. International diplomacy cannot be judged by the standards of a student duel, and lawyers are hired help not the masters,”

I think most of us know realpolitik applies, that sometimes treaties get broken, but generally (with one or two notorious exceptions) at the time of signing the parties generally intend to stick to the details for the foreseeable future.

In the case of Brexit it seems those putting signature to paper on the UK side had absolutely no intention of sticking to the deal at the time of signing…
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 13:10
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That's the problem with those foreign types, certainly those from the EU.

They simply don't appreciate the UK's generosity and the offer of being allowed to work here...before being booted out as "being surplus to requirements", their departure would probably be live streamed to the charmless Ms Patel.

However, the Home Office it seems are doing their bit to hinder matters. Funny, that, this process is taking so long when at the beginning of the pandemic, the Gov't were happily bunging out contracts at the click of a keyboard to their chums.

Just 20 UK visas issued to foreign lorry drivers, government admits | Supply chain crisis | The Guardian

Of course, the delay might have nothing to do with the fact the UK Gov't doesn't really want them here in the first place and this was just, yet another, contrived gesture. This on the basis getting rid of foreigners was central to "taking back control" and it would be acutely embarrassing to admit, by inviting them back, even for a short time, the UK actually did need them after all.

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Old 14th Oct 2021, 13:44
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
That's the problem with those foreign types, certainly those from the EU.

They simply don't appreciate the UK's generosity and the offer of being allowed to work here...before being booted out as "being surplus to requirements", their departure would probably be live streamed to the charmless Ms Patel.

However, the Home Office it seems are doing their bit to hinder matters. Funny, that, this process is taking so long when at the beginning of the pandemic, the Gov't were happily bunging out contracts at the click of a keyboard to their chums.

Just 20 UK visas issued to foreign lorry drivers, government admits | Supply chain crisis | The Guardian
I'm not sure why anyone might have expected any foreign truck drivers would chuck in a permanent job in, say, Poland for a six month contract in the UK. HM Government I suspect, they are so totally out of touch with the real world. And I'm not just blaming the politicians, after all the government is run by civil servants and clearly not one had the balls to point out the stupidity and impracticality of the HGV visa scheme.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 16:31
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I'm not sure why anyone might have expected any foreign truck drivers would chuck in a permanent job in, say, Poland for a six month contract in the UK. HM Government I suspect, they are so totally out of touch with the real world. And I'm not just blaming the politicians, after all the government is run by civil servants and clearly not one had the balls to point out the stupidity and impracticality of the HGV visa scheme.
With this Gov't, taking anything they say or do as being trustworthy is fraught with danger. I reckon they were only too well aware of the probable minimal uptake, but, making this offer does, to their duplicitous thinking, make them look good in the eyes of the public and lets not forget, image and Boris are inextricably linked. Now they can say, well we offered, but nobody took the offer up..with the subliminal message that we were right to get rid of EU workers in the first place and, oh look ..Brexit is justified after all !

However, thankfully, there's still the liability of the cult of Boris to contend with. ..."straight from the horses (select orifice of choice here) "

Boris Johnson promised to tear up NI protocol, says DUP MP Ian Paisley | Brexit | The Guardian
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 22:33
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
With this Gov't, taking anything they say or do as being trustworthy is fraught with danger. I reckon they were only too well aware of the probable minimal uptake, but, making this offer does, to their duplicitous thinking, make them look good in the eyes of the public and lets not forget, image and Boris are inextricably linked. Now they can say, well we offered, but nobody took the offer up..with the subliminal message that we were right to get rid of EU workers in the first place and, oh look ..Brexit is justified after all !

However, thankfully, there's still the liability of the cult of Boris to contend with. ..."straight from the horses (select orifice of choice here) "

Boris Johnson promised to tear up NI protocol, says DUP MP Ian Paisley | Brexit | The Guardian
So much about a member of the Irish Government calling out apparent bad faith on the behalf of HMGov, that can be (and possibly has been) brushed off in circles within the Tory party as “the usual Brit bashing” (even though Fine Gael would be the least likely party in Ireland to engage in that), having someone who is no less that Unionist Royalty, a high profile member of the DUP, the son of the founder of the church and its political wing, Ian Paisley, Jr. come out and explicitly say that the Johnson Government always intended to renege on the NI Protocol really does throw the UK Government under the bus (mind you, The Conservative and Unionist Party has demonstrated on a number of occasions that it is more than happy to fling the Ulster Unionists under every available bus when it suits them, so hoisted by their own petard!)

Where stands the reputation of "Global Britian" now?
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 10:02
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Originally Posted by Just a spotter View Post
So much about a member of the Irish Government calling out apparent bad faith on the behalf of HMGov, that can be (and possibly has been) brushed off in circles within the Tory party as “the usual Brit bashing” (even though Fine Gael would be the least likely party in Ireland to engage in that), having someone who is no less that Unionist Royalty, a high profile member of the DUP, the son of the founder of the church and its political wing, Ian Paisley, Jr. come out and explicitly say that the Johnson Government always intended to renege on the NI Protocol really does throw the UK Government under the bus (mind you, The Conservative and Unionist Party has demonstrated on a number of occasions that it is more than happy to fling the Ulster Unionists under every available bus when it suits them, so hoisted by their own petard!)

Where stands the reputation of "Global Britian" now?
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The answer to your question is very easy.

"Global Britain " is personified by Boris and his cohorts. Their unwavering efforts to regress and, possibly irrevocably tarnish, the UK's standing in the world in pursuit of their own populist and self serving dogma needs no clarification really
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 10:14
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Originally Posted by Just a spotter View Post
So much about a member of the Irish Government calling out apparent bad faith on the behalf of HMGov, that can be (and possibly has been) brushed off in circles within the Tory party as “the usual Brit bashing” (even though Fine Gael would be the least likely party in Ireland to engage in that), having someone who is no less that Unionist Royalty, a high profile member of the DUP, the son of the founder of the church and its political wing, Ian Paisley, Jr. come out and explicitly say that the Johnson Government always intended to renege on the NI Protocol really does throw the UK Government under the bus (mind you, The Conservative and Unionist Party has demonstrated on a number of occasions that it is more than happy to fling the Ulster Unionists under every available bus when it suits them, so hoisted by their own petard!)

Where stands the reputation of "Global Britain" now?
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It appears this occurred prior to the December 2019 election, which was contested & won on the basis of having an "oven ready Brexit deal" - which Johnson had apparently already admitted to Ian Paisley Jnr he intended to rip up as it wasn't fit for purpose. Two possible options I guess - either one of them is a liar, or both. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-40947699.html
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 10:48
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It appears this occurred prior to the December 2019 election, which was contested & won on the basis of having an "oven ready Brexit deal" - which Johnson had apparently already admitted to Ian Paisley Jnr he intended to rip up as it wasn't fit for purpose. Two possible options I guess - either one of them is a liar, or both. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-40947699.html
Well I wouldn't trust a member of the "Paisley clan" further than I could throw one, and as for Johnson....
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 16:56
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The modern day Conservative Party have clearly taken a hardline with the brutal aim of staying in power by whatever means possible. The red wall are central (at least for now) so in some ways Alex Johnson and his cabal are pussy footing to the red walls emotions. The Red Wall emotions will clearly be dropped at the point they become no use to Tories staying in power. Our standing on the world stage, our patriotic outlook, our values, our community, our reputation and image and even the continuation of the Union are very much secondary to whatever it takes to maintain a presence in control of the funds and decisions that come with the keys to number 10 Downing Street

Many people clearly don’t understand this. That’s why Tory policy doesn’t make too much sense to many people. It does however make perfect sense to just enough people to keep a majority.

Anyone who thinks the current govt care less about world image and the Union really aren’t paying attention.

Really sad to see another politician stayed today. Absolutely no place in society for this kind of thing. Awful news.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 18:15
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Well I wouldn't trust a member of the "Paisley clan" further than I could throw one, and as for Johnson....
Agreed, met the “Reverend”. When he invaded my space, he soon departed it when I told him what I thought.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 01:50
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Well I wouldn't trust a member of the "Paisley clan" further than I could throw one, and as for Johnson....
Indeed, like being asked to decide which turd one prefers...what a sorry state of affairs.
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Wife taught Paisley snr's granddaughter. His son has a church near us. She said the girl's parents were nice people. Our opinions on religion are probably the polar opposite to theirs. We are atheist fundamentalists.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 09:11
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How many Bay Leaves do you require, as we have a rather large bush of it at home in UK, quite happy to send you as much as you like.
You could be onto a winner - set up an e-shop auctioning your surplus bay leaves over the interwebs. You could call it "E-Bay"...

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Or bayBay ...
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... or Bay buy ... bye-bye
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 17:25
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Food price rises are terrifying, says industry

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58962049

It will be very interesting so see how the UK government manages to blame this one on Covid-19; or indeed the international container shipping crisis. It is clearly neither, but is actually Brexit related, whether that be due to higher wages to attracted farm workers, or higher haulage costs because of the shortage of truck drivers exacerbated by Brexit. I suppose they will try and blame the CO2 or natural gas prices.

Whatever happened to The Govester's cheaper food post Brexit? Another almighty porky (excuse the pun)!!
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