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Old 16th Oct 2021, 01:46
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73-Max flight control problems

Could this be the end of this aircraft? Couldn’t imagine wanting to get these.

737-Max flight control problems.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 03:49
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Safely landed after 35 minutes.

It got airborne again the next day and flew to Belgium, so doesn’t sound too serious.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 04:47
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Couldn’t imagine wanting to get these.
Can I suggest that you need a better imagination then?

https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...boeing-737-max

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-737-max-price

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...e-jet-program/

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Old 16th Oct 2021, 05:22
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In the Ryan air and United case I'd say there is some huge discounts to get the type back in the air mainstream again. If you can get 3 Max for the price of 1 Neo why not, even if it is slightly dodgy.... she'll be right.

I really don't understand any commercial sense in operating Max and A321s. As having A320s would mean one crew set for all esp with no gap filler like the a321 on Boeings scope for a while yet. And not just crew, containerised handling between flights etc. The Maxs must be a dam good deal to warrant overlooking those issues for a 757 replacement.
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even if it is slightly dodgy.... she'll be right.
Not really.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 06:38
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Expect the CAAC to now take another year to review the data. Successful test flight last month is now probably void. Beijing will be over the moon, got the US by the balls for a whole lot longer.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 06:59
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Boeing has some serious problems at the moment, it has half the orders of Airbus going forward, no replacement for the 737 within at least the next 10 years and on going production issues. Even with half the orders of Airbus they are only producing half the amount of aircraft, which means you will still get your Airbus in about the same time frame as a Boeing, giving them no real time advantage.

Airbus meanwhile has a modern, cross-crewable, contiguous line of aircraft from the 100 seat to 500 seat market. Meaning if you were seriously concerned about operating costs they would be the only ones to go to.

How they are going to dig themselves out of this hole they've made them selves is anyones guess.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 07:55
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I reckon they would be better off getting a leg up on Airbus and start the MAX replacement planning and design in the medium term. Have it ready to launch 2030. Don’t put too many eggs into the MAX basket, give it a short run and exit it.

The NEO will be the end of the A320 series (really needs a new wing especially the 321) however I wouldn’t expect the A*** until the 2040s.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 10:09
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I reckon they would be better off getting a leg up on Airbus and start the MAX replacement planning and design in the medium term. Have it ready to launch 2030. Don’t put too many eggs into the MAX basket, give it a short run and exit.
Hey Poppajo, I would hazard a guess that Boeing started secretly working on the MAX replacement a few years ago. Exactly as you said, a 10 year run on the MAX and out she goes………………it’s the only strategy for Boeing to try and compete again with Airbus in the narrow body market.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 13:45
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The 737 replacement was started and then shelved over 10 years ago. The 800 was supposed to be the final model, and then restructuring issues, the GFC and a few other things had the project canned. Boeing can't do crud in secret when it comes to new designs. Biggest mistake was letting the 757 die, now the gap it filled is getting progressively owned by the A320/321. All because US airlines didn't like narrow-bodies. Boeing came up with the original cross crewed 757/767 idea, it was just 20 years too early, Airbus made it work at the right time.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 15:33
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
Could this be the end of this aircraft? Couldn’t imagine wanting to get these.

737-Max flight control problems.
Back in November 2019, the pilots of Brickyard 4439 were absolutely thrilled to be flying an Embraer product instead of one of those uncontrollable 737 MAXs.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 21:08
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
The 737 replacement was started and then shelved over 10 years ago. The 800 was supposed to be the final model, and then restructuring issues, the GFC and a few other things had the project canned. Boeing can't do crud in secret when it comes to new designs. Biggest mistake was letting the 757 die, now the gap it filled is getting progressively owned by the A320/321. All because US airlines didn't like narrow-bodies. Boeing came up with the original cross crewed 757/767 idea, it was just 20 years too early, Airbus made it work at the right time.
Boeing's biggest mistake was to allow itself to be hollowed out by the cancer that was McDonnel Douglas. Every dumb idea flowed from there…relocating head office to Chicago, opening plants across the country on idealogical grounds, outsourcing the engineering and manufacturing of almost everything on the 787 with the attendant billions of dollars wasted. The 787 debacle stripped the company of the funds and engineering talent to do a clean sheet 737 replacement. Share buy-backs didn’t help.

Everything wrong with Boeing was caused by greed and arrogance in the executive suite.

By the way…Boeing insiders say the 757 was a very expensive aeroplane to build hence the decision to kill it.
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