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Old 16th Oct 2021, 21:35
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Can we all agree with these facts?

The death rate in UK is approximately 2000 per million. That is 0,002 %.

Your survival rate is more than 99% . Let’s all just chill and relax and most importantly think and use our brains. Do not simply accept mainstream propaganda as a fact, it’s only an information that you can use to make up your own mind about what is the best choice for yourself.

Currently in NSW you can go to your unventilated office and work 8 hours without a mask, however you cannot spend 1 hour on an airplane with HEPA filters without a mask. You can travel to the USA but not to Queensland.

I think that we are all entitled to ask questions. In Europe and the USA millions and millions of people choose not to vaccinate. To think that these people are all lunatics is a very narrow minded way of viewing the situation.


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Old 16th Oct 2021, 21:44
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This covid is like a thick fog and we cannot see the real danger. What is more important than health ? The answer is money and power. Who is in charge and has been in power since WW2? The USA!

What is the world reserve currency? USD! Have the USA recovered from the global financial crisis of 2008? Hell no! The solution was and is printing money and printing more money. What has the global pandemic done to all central banks? It made them print even more money! What is the end result?

inflation and border line hyper inflation which will solve the debt problem of the western world.

how convenient…..
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 22:02
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You anti vaxxers are hilarious. At least get your stories straight. Is it depopulation? Is it control? Now itís about hyper inflation.

Sorry mate but youíre increasingly an outlier in an ever reducing very vocal minority.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 22:12
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Originally Posted by union View Post
Can we all agree with these facts?

The death rate in UK is approximately 2000 per million. That is 0,002 %.

Your survival rate is more than 99% . Let’s all just chill and relax and most importantly think and use our brains. Do not simply accept mainstream propaganda as a fact, it’s only an information that you can use to make up your own mind about what is the best choice for yourself.

Currently in NSW you can go to your unventilated office and work 8 hours without a mask, however you cannot spend 1 hour on an airplane with HEPA filters without a mask. You can travel to the USA but not to Queensland.

I think that we are all entitled to ask questions. In Europe and the USA millions and millions of people choose not to vaccinate. To think that these people are all lunatics is a very narrow minded way of viewing the situation.
Can we agre that 700 000 people have died of Covid in the USA? Can we agree that 92% of the approximatley 1800 people STILL dying per day in the US are unvaccinated?

Oh, and 2 000/ 1 000 000 is .2%. you're out by factor of 100.I should take advice from someone who can't do 6th grade math?
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 22:27
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz View Post
Can we agre that 700 000 people have died of Covid in the USA? Can we agree that 92% of the approximatley 1800 people STILL dying per day in the US are unvaccinated?

Oh, and 2 000/ 1 000 000 is .2%. you're out by factor of 100.I should take advice from someone who can't do 6th grade math?
letís not argue about maths. My maths are correct:

over 99% survival rate.

ChillÖ.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 22:33
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
You anti vaxxers are hilarious. At least get your stories straight. Is it depopulation? Is it control? Now it’s about hyper inflation.

Sorry mate but you’re increasingly an outlier in an ever reducing very vocal minority.
depopulation is just an unintended bi product . People are simply afraid to plan to commit to have kids when the future is somewhat unclear. If government wanted to kill you there are easier ways to do it. No one is saying this. Don’t confuse anti vaxxer to anti own opinion/anti thinker!
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 22:55
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Originally Posted by union View Post
The death rate in UK is approximately 2000 per million. That is 0,002 %.
Originally Posted by union View Post
My maths are correct:
This guy cracks me up. Official Government source ;

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Deaths = 161,798
Cases 8,404,469

Ill do the math for you, because you're clearly incapable of anything as complex as 'addition'.

Its 1.92%, or a survival rate of 98%. Not 99.998% as you first claimed. You're out by a factor of 1,000. To put that error rate into perspective, if you were trying to land somewhere in the first 1000m of YSSY 34L, you'd touch down in Brisbane.

And this 2% is among all citizens, vaccinated and not. Given the vast majority of the UK population is now vaccinated, yet in the first half of 2021, fully vaccinated deaths were only 1.2% of all covid deaths, the survival rate for unvaccinated is self evidently far, far lower than for the vaccinated..

640 deaths Vs more than THIRTY EIGHT THOUSAND for the unvaccinated Jan to Jul 2021 in the UK. More than 35 million people had received both doses in the UK by July.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ryand2july2021

Originally Posted by union
Can we all agree with these facts?

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse.


Stupid is a word that doesn't even come close to properly articulating what you're dribbling into this thread. For the sake of all involved, please just stop.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 23:16
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Originally Posted by union View Post
let’s not argue about maths. My maths are correct:

over 99% survival rate.

Chill….
No, your maths isn't. Go find a 4th grade maths book and learn how to do percentages.

Mine are.

So, 1% of people dying is cool with you?

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Old 16th Oct 2021, 23:59
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Let’s talk about this supposedly great 98-99% survival rate. If you had a revolver with 50 or 100 chambers instead of 6, would you be quite happy to play Russian roulette with it? I bloody wouldn’t.
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 00:45
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I wonder if these people who quote statistics about Covid like 98% survival rate wear seatbelts when they drive a car because statistically, almost no one these days dies in an auto accident. Millions of km driven every year for just 300 something fatalities every year.

These same people who claim that a vaccine is not required because hardly anyone dies of it, do they do a brief before a take-off, engines rarely fail thes days and all that, especially in the big end of town.

Has logic deserted us as a species?

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Old 17th Oct 2021, 02:11
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Originally Posted by union View Post
Can we all agree with these facts?

The death rate in UK is approximately 2000 per million. That is 0,002 %.

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I think most of us can rest our case right there.
Of course most of us pilots know the fact that these New World Order strategies have been distributed via chemtrails long before Covid came along. In fact the anti vaxxers have probably already been vaccinated without their knowledge....
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 05:30
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I wrote-
There are refusers who won't get the vaccine and will resign. Then they may find it hard to get another job. Who wants to employ a refuser? They might all end up in a firm making a nice target for COVID. Darwin rules again.

A vaccinated person should not be too happy to work among the unvaxxed. They might resign. While they are extremely unlikely to get seriously sick, they could pass it onto youngsters. These in turn might not get sick but could pass it on. So the pandemic continues.

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Old 17th Oct 2021, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Crosswhinge View Post
I wrote-
...A vaccinated person should not be too happy to work among the unvaxxed. ...
Mmm, I've got an example of the opposite, from the Apple Isle. Dentist neighbour (mandatorily vaccinated) answered the phone this past week and was shocked to hear the caller request an *unvaccinated* dentist to do her teeth. The hell?

[disclaimer: from this SLF. I got jabbed the other day because if I didn't my nursing job is gonski come Oct 31. And as it happened, 2 days later Hobart's snap lockdown started.]
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 11:16
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post

Ill do the math for you, because you're clearly incapable of anything as complex as 'addition'.

Its 1.92%, or a survival rate of 98%. Not 99.998% as you first claimed. You're out by a factor of 1,000. To put that error rate into perspective, if you were trying to land somewhere in the first 1000m of YSSY 34L, you'd touch down in Brisbane.

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse.
I very much liked the landing at SY analogy.

One of the better sprays Iíve read here in a while - well played 😂👏
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 14:05
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz View Post
Will you undertake, right now, to swear that if you or any of your family get Covid, having not been vaccinated, you will not use a hostpital, ICU or ventilator? Go ahead and take your chance- but not with my money nor with resources my loved ones might need.
He's paid his taxes, Wiz; he's perfectly entitled to expect hospital admission for this condition if he needs it. You've spent a very good many years paying taxes in other tax regimes or not paying taxes at all so one could argue you're the person least entitled to take up a bed in an Australian ICU.

Originally Posted by Wizofoz View Post
Yes. But they pay the same yet deliberately take a greater risk. I'm asking that, if he gets sick, he not go to hospital- no-one is forcing him to.
You were into skydiving, weren't you? Maybe you still are. Sounds pretty risky. Why should you be entitled to a response from emergency services when you deliberately take risks? Why should society subsidise your high risk lifestyle?
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 14:11
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink View Post
One of the better sprays Iíve read here in a while - well played 😂👏
I wouldn't say it was a good spray or well-played since numerous state health services have admitted including deaths of people in the death tallies whose deaths weren't actually caused by covid. So none of those numbers are reliable but it seems safe to say the death rate is nothing like 1 in 50. I'm amazed people still believe these official numbers after the health officials admitted to fudging them.
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 16:59
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Interesting piece on the news last night that some hospitals in the US are refusing to admit unvaccinated covid cases, a case of triage for the available beds.
You were into skydiving, weren't you? Maybe you still are. Sounds pretty risky
Skydiving is actually quite safe. The risk folk see is in the perception, these days my impression is the aeroplane ride is the risky part. When I took out personal insurance at the beginning of my career the premium was doubled because I was a pilot. Go figure.
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 17:28
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Originally Posted by Mullah Kintyre View Post
I wouldn't say it was a good spray or well-played since numerous state health services have admitted including deaths of people in the death tallies whose deaths weren't actually caused by covid. So none of those numbers are reliable but it seems safe to say the death rate is nothing like 1 in 50. I'm amazed people still believe these official numbers after the health officials admitted to fudging them.
Really? Where? Can you show me an Australian health service making this admission? Or is this another one of those "I heard it from someone who posted it on twitter" type "facts" that get posted here, in the hope that by spreading them around a variety of forums, people see them in numerous locations and feel like they might be true? That's one technique used to spread disinformation.

Have errors been made? Sure, in any large system there will be errors. That's not the same as systemic fraud. There's no incentive to claim a death is due to covid or otherwise in Australia though. The Australian Bureau Of Statistics specifically notes that their records include people who died of covid, and distinguishes them from those where covid was present but not the underlying cause of death.

ps...I quite liked Das Uber Soldat's turn of phrase, particularly
Stupid is a word that doesn't even come close to properly articulating what you're dribbling into this thread. For the sake of all involved, please just stop.
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 19:57
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Health Insurance companies in the USA are already denying coverage for hospitals admission for Covid patients if they are unvaccinated. The average bill for a severe Covid case has been estimated at $127,000 USD. Why should sensible people who are vaccinated contribute to the cost of the unvaccinated persons hospital treatment through their health insurance premium when a simple free jab eliminates that cost almost entirely.
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 20:24
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It still may be possible to get this thread back on track, despite the numerous diversions.

I, as a QF pilot, along with most of my colleagues, got fully vaccinated as soon as I was eligible.

Why?

Because doing so:
- significantly reduced my risk of serious disease in the event of contracting COVID;
- significantly reduced my risk of losing my aviation medical certificate in the event of contracting COVID;
- significantly reduced my risk of passing COVID on to my wife and extended family; and
- as patriotic Aussie battler, I felt it was simply the right thing to do as a community-minded citizen.

I didn’t do it because it helped in any way with my job. It probably should have, but it didn’t.

I have put up with all the same absurd isolations, forms, tests, and inconsistent inconveniences as would have an unvaccinated pilot who happened to cross state borders as part of their day job.

But, the day that AJ declared that vaccination was mandatory, I looked for every loophole possible to NOT tell him that I was vaccinated, even though I was. Why? Because **** him.

Now, I’ve breathed fire at anti-vaxers on this forum in recent times, and I still stand by every word.

But, there is a big difference between encouraging vaccination and mandating vaccination.

Particularly when it appears that 90+ percent of the population are going for it voluntarily anyway.

Should you get vaccinated? Hell yes. You’d be a fool not to. In my opinion.

Should AJ, or indeed the State or Federal Government mandate it?

No. That is a step too far over the line.

This thread is not about the pros and cons of vaccinations - this thread is about MANDATORY vaccinations.

Now, I’m not going to put my job on the line to fight the principle, but there is certainly a fight there ready to be fought, perhaps by a learned and principled lawyer, such as someone like Jennifer Robinson.

Now, someone like Jennifer is not going to support someone like Hoody.

That’s why I felt like I had to spend the first half of my post putting my stance on vaccination prior to putting my stance on mandates. It feels wrong that I felt that I needed to, but so be it.

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