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Old 28th Aug 2023, 14:53
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https://wsvn.com/news/local/broward/2-hospitalized-after-bso-fire-rescue-helicopter-crashes-in-pompano-beach/
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28th Aug 2023, 19:11
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Originally Posted by munnst
You don't need to be a heli pilot or indeed a pilot to know it's probably better to land asap when on fire.
But you have to know that you are on fire.

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Video of crash. 3 POB.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sing-tail.html
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That looks like a fire causing structural failure. Horrendous. Itís a miracle that anyone involved survived.
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2 pax, not seriously injured.Unbelievably lucky, imagine if they were in a robbi!
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 17:03
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Unbelievable lucky. Surviving structural failure in a heli does not happen often.
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 17:22
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Update: 2 dead, 6 injured. Was about a mile out of airport when turned back.
https://wsvn.com/news/local/broward/...beach-triplex/
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 17:41
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Wonder if they knew the severity of the problem? Dropping it into the first safe space (if there was one) would have been worth the paperwork vs trying to return to base and not making it.
Miracle anyone survived, feel for the unsuspecting folks who had it drop into their home.
All things considered, very lucky all round.
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 18:15
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Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
Wonder if they knew the severity of the problem? Dropping it into the first safe space (if there was one) would have been worth the paperwork vs trying to return to base and not making it.
Miracle anyone survived, feel for the unsuspecting folks who had it drop into their home.
All things considered, very lucky all round.
There is an ATC recording where they tell Pompano TWR they had an engine failure and request priority runway landing. I donít know why they didnít have a fire warning?
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 18:23
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Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
Dropping it into the first safe space (if there was one) would have been worth the paperwork vs trying to return to base and not making it.
Found the guy with zero multi-time.
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Sky news. Different camera footage.

https://news.sky.com/story/two-kille...orida-12949832
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Originally Posted by hepkat
Found the guy with zero multi-time.
Did you try apply your mind or did you just leap into sarcasm?
In this case, that second engine really paid for itself when the tailboom failed.
One size thinking doesn't fit all.
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 18:48
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Originally Posted by hepkat
Found the guy with zero multi-time.
There's a lot of difference between an engine failure and an uncontained failure with a large fire, which is what it looks like here. The only question I have is whether the pilot could see or otherwise knew the severity of the situation. There's an extended video of this where you can see the chopper flying for well over a minute with an obviously serious fire. Apparently the pilot has survived so he'll be able to answer all those questions.
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Originally Posted by 212man
I donít know why they didnít have a fire warning?
The fire detectors are mounted in front under the ST/GEN and under the combustion can. If the fire was aft and on the deck quite possible never hit the trigger temps for the detectors. Seems if he had a warning he would have blown the fire bottle or at least commented to ATC is was on fire?
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Ouch, can you imagine sitting in your home and having a helicopter fall through the roof?

That's just not something you expect on a given day.
Very sorry to learn of the two fatalities.
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 19:02
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Originally Posted by hepkat
Found the guy with zero multi-time.
You don't need to be a heli pilot or indeed a pilot to know it's probably better to land asap when on fire.
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Originally Posted by munnst
You don't need to be a heli pilot or indeed a pilot to know it's probably better to land asap when on fire.
But you have to know that you are on fire.

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Old 28th Aug 2023, 19:33
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We get myopic from the systems installed and our subsequent training. Fire is only ever engine, occasionally electrical. We think we have lots of time to sort it out.

Was this a 135, does it have a baggage fire warning? Fire location doesn't seem related to engines, though on ATC they say one quit. They got out a mile and turned around, tower didn't see them trailing smoke when they left, so the tail boom fell off within what, 60 seconds of the fire starting?

Food for thought when you're flying those IA crews around with the 212/412 tail boom full of propane and jugs of gas.
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 19:45
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Originally Posted by malabo
Was this a 135, does it have a baggage fire warning? Fire location doesn't seem related to engines, though on ATC they say one quit.
This was a HEMS machine so no baggage compartment. No problem, especially for the CabinCrew, to look aft through the whole cabin. As seen on the videos the fire took place in the aft section of engine bay or even battery/Aircondition compartement. Fire is seen on both sides of the fuselage on different videos.

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EC-135 Crash Worthy Design

The EC-135 a Very Robust Aircraft built to the latest crash worthiness criteria. Those that survived this incident are living proof of this.

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Could it be due to a medical oxygen cylinder explosion?
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