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Old 24th Sep 2021, 10:33
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maybe not exactly 10yrs, but enough for an Undergrad degree and Phd in unrelated field.

but like the faces around the airfields, not enough young ones, or more pilots have become like me, just fly, enjoy, put aircraft away, tinker a bit, keep your head down lest CASA come and smite thee, and go home.
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 03:27
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What’s the matter Xeptu ?
Stopped getting invites to Christmas drinks ?
There were probably hints before you retired.
Heads up to young Captains………..
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 07:28
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Originally Posted by Grumpy retiree View Post
What’s the matter Xeptu ?
Stopped getting invites to Christmas drinks ?
There were probably hints before you retired.
Heads up to young Captains………..
I did, how rude eh! but seriously there is no-one left, certainly none older than me still there, so many have passed or moved on. That's life.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 06:39
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enough for an Undergrad degree and Phd in unrelated field.
Well done, Dr Ultralights!

Once worked with another Pilot in PNG who had a Phd in Geology, specifically the formation of the Flinders Ranges.
Got to read his thesis too. Most interesting.

Sandy Reith; A very well argued post!
Maybe our new Minister Barnaby Joyce has told them to fix the mess?
We can but hope but I'm not holding my breath.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 09:30
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Originally Posted by Flyer517 View Post
Personally I find the speed with which personal attacks or petty arguments happen on a lot of threads vey depressing. Within the blink of an eye, what I hoped would be a good aviation related conversation, descends in to a childish argument or slanging match.
Yes agree with this. its called an ad hominem argument.
Mod intervention seems to be lacking on those occasions, and now the outcome is all too obvious.
I bet certain airlines are pleased.


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Old 26th Sep 2021, 10:43
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Originally Posted by Pinky the pilot View Post
Well done, Dr Ultralights!.

Sandy Reith; A very well argued post!
We can but hope but I'm not holding my breath.

US:- $15.99 book with index. Training (or Charter) USA. Teach flying? Start immediately with this book and your instructor rating. Part 141/142 optional but easy enough with FAA template.
Oz, our CASASTROPHE:-
Negotiated, edited library $thousands, months or years, maybe permissible eventually, or not.

No interest? We’ve lost hundreds of flying schools.

Thank you Pinky, after some thirty years of watching, often with despair, hope is in short supply but there’s no giving up.

This thread starts with postulating a lack of interest, of course with GA battered and bruised and many having simply walked away then its not surprising. With a rational regulatory environment the GA industry could easily be two or three times it’s present truncated size with a number of important benefits. Training sufficient pilots for commercial ops, when they come back, maintenance and manufacturing opportunities and a boost for private GA which has languished with debilitating and unnecessary stringencies around medicals, maintenance and ASICs. The latter three items being especially harsh for those who live in the outback.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 20:34
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that one photograph says it all
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 00:14
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That photo has been around for a long time, WE know what it represents but not the inept grubby authority!
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 00:47
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It represents the fortune made by people on 6 figure salaries who've taken decades to produce the pile of regulatory dross.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 01:14
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
It represents the fortune made by people on 6 figure salaries who've taken decades to produce the pile of regulatory dross.
And also the ignorant that do not nor wish to know better. A bit of a sideslip on the post and I may have already told this story . Whilst undergoing my SCPL, some years, ago the chap running the show had numerous interesting stories about our governing bodies. One of these was whilst training a chap who happened to be a Barrister ( with obviously too many spare neurons) and going through CAO, CAA and the ABC’s said Barrister made the comment “I can hardly decipher this sh*T. Tell you what I’ll translate it into normal speak”. Did so with the renewed easy to read work passed onto the CAA (?) whom stated “looks good but will have to pass to our legal dept to check”. Did so and as you can guess came back even more Martian.

Why is it that bureaucracy appears to function primarily on the obfuscation of details. Now you may say that is to make their six figure salaries relevant and give them a feeling of importance.Unfortunately given that most of these people, in a position of power, that adjudicate these things have no idea, in this case aviation, of which way is up.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 04:49
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In a previous post on this thread I said:

Every thread doesn't have to come back to how it's all CASA's fault (even if that is the case).

Yet here we are again. So to answer the original question posed, this is what turns me off personally. It always comes back to complaints about the regulator and that bores me to tears. I would much rather talk about aircraft and the pleasure of aviation.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 06:39
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Originally Posted by Flyer517 View Post
In a previous post on this thread I said:

Yet here we are again. So to answer the original question posed, this is what turns me off personally. It always comes back to complaints about the regulator and that bores me to tears. I would much rather talk about aircraft and the pleasure of aviation.
Certainly appreciate where you are coming from but when the fun is taken out of it, it is hard not to have a whinge. I think there are other post that are more focused on the joys of flight with this one honestly being started on a viable topic of have we lost interest. Attesting to this are the post on how we are no longer civil to one another which often turn nasty (laying on the professionals couch the causation would easily be attributed to the frustration of having the fun taken out of flying). A lot of post are negative with aircrew venting their spleen (mostly justifiably) about how the aviation industry has changed from what it once was. This in turn causes friction with the younger aircrew (probably less than 45 yo) who do not have any experience in being treated like a valued employee.

I also would like posts to be about the fun of flying and the shared experiences but with the good comes.........

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Old 30th Sep 2021, 07:09
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I'm hearing you, the fun in flying ended on 9/11/2001 when that bullet proof door was installed. But this is a GA Forum and in my experience all the fun was when we were not flying. They were the good days, many a good story told from the Top End.

Darwin had a Cage Bar you know, that should kick it off....

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Old 30th Sep 2021, 07:38
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Yet here we are again. So to answer the original question posed, this is what turns me off personally. It always comes back to complaints about the regulator and that bores me to tears. I would much rather talk about aircraft and the pleasure of aviation.
Very good point. The thread was about why we are losing interest in PPRuNe. I don't think its just us though. If you have a look at the Canadian forum and the North American forum it is obvious that interest is being lost all around. Even the original R&N has very little on it. As others have said there are more places to voice an opinion and the younger ones are not interested in more posts about CASA, ATSB and Airservices.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 08:53
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One of these was whilst training a chap who happened to be a Barrister ( with obviously too many spare neurons) and going through CAO, CAA and the ABC’s said Barrister made the comment “I can hardly decipher this sh*T.
Precisely! A Lawyer aquaintance of mine once had a need to go through the old ANO and ANR documents (quite some years ago, obviously) and he made the observation that 'You need to have a legal background to even begin to understand some of this sh*t...'

He also pointed out several direct contradictions in the ANR's.

His parting comment was that they were obviously written by a Lawyer who specialised in legalese and pettifoggery!
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 15:19
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G'Day Mr Pinky..................

That shud read 'Pettibuggery', ......Sir....."Please excuse me whilst I give U the 'Royal Pineapple' treatment.".........................................

NO Cheers 'ere...NOPE...NONE at all.......

Nice to see ya still 'Vertical'....Cheeeerrrsss...
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 07:50
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To us older (?) folk it seems indeed that the priorities are elsewhere these days as casual observation of the forum suggests that its use and the participation of some regulars is somewhat less than it was a year or so ago.

As one might expect the culture changes and is perhaps 'different' every decade. It is now obvious that many of the long-term participants in this forum have retired completely and don’t visit any more or perhaps are ‘observers only’. Some recent threads in the past would have generated significant discussion, but that does not seem to occur that much now (??).

At least one other aviation forum seems to have only a small number of vocal participants on subjects that are most likely of personal interest and do not generate wide discussion.

Of course, there is good old Facebook, in which some of the many ‘Groups’ have significant discussion on specific subjects eg: old aircraft, history etc.

Things might change, but we will just have to hang in to see how it pans out. The upside is that we know that many of the decision makers make it their business to keep a finger on the prune pulse, which can only be a good thing (saves writing to the Minister!)
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 13:54
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because r/flying and r/aviation exists

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Also as the first few replies mentioned this forum just feels more old school, so young people (I mean new users) won't be drawn in that easily. Older generations go onto PPRuNe and read 5000 word essays , while younger generations are more drawn to a casual chat on Discord. Young aviation lovers are still significant in number, just that instead of making an account here they just join an aviation related Discord server or watch a pilot YouTuber, none of which will expose them to 5000 word essays and "boomer humor" on a daily basis. A very good representation of this is memes - for a starter on how different generations are go watch some kracc bacc or shidbot420 on YouTube then compare these videos to Facebook memes. (friendly reminder: do not wear headphones)
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 02:47
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Sandy's photo has been used before as has a similar argument put by one D Smith many years ago complaining about the enormity of amendments and maps...all supplied FOC...that he and his chief pilot had to wade through every cycle. However, MCCoates has a point. I find myself only checking occasionally what is up on the board. Where once, a couple of days lapsed and you would find a full page of highlighted threads with new posts. Today? Only three threads active, including this one. Peoples, PPRuNe may be coming irrelevant. This place was the font of knowledge for all things Australian aviation. Arguments here led to changes in airspace. Truely, some heavy hitters walked these boards. Politics is a flavour many do not savor. I am a PPL but over the years people have considered my input by entering into argument in the spirit of same without the need to ad hom my "experience". For example, posts on the MNG thread and similar do not even raise a reply or contradictory argument. FB is not a good forum for airing opinions without being blasted by trolls. This type of forum is still sorely needed. Consider the fact that if PPRuNe was active around 1980, imagine the airing some of the regulatory changes would have copped in the proposition stage. Hope this place is still here in another twenty years.
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Old 20th Oct 2021, 09:15
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Certainly the events of the last couple of years have kept the airline oriented discussions quiter, but I think the last decade or so has seen the rise and rise of Googles ability provide information once only readily found in forums such as these.

Whether that related to how something works, procedures and techniques, whose hiring, or aviaton adventures Google has an immediate answer, and YouTube channels have the ability to quell other curiosities.



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