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What is going on at the top??

Old 28th Nov 2021, 12:41
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What is going on at the top??

You couldn’t make it up - or could you? Everyone in the RAF is to be an “aviator”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-airwomen.html
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 12:46
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From Air Clues, Ed36 P30.
'Aviators'
By the way, if that’s the first time you’ve heard the term ‘aviator’ in that way, then get on board. No longer does it mean just aircrew, but the term ‘aviator’ has now replaced the generic term of ‘airman’ to bring right up to date the way we should describe all of our personnel in a modern and appropriate manner. So, it’s no longer ‘Soldiers, Sailor & Airmen’ but ‘Soldiers, Sailors & Aviators’. Watch out for TV commentators getting used to that.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 12:54
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But former Tory MP and ex-Army colonel Patrick Mercer last night blasted the plans as 'woke b*******.'
I tend to agree with him! An ‘aviator’, by definition, ‘aviates’ - they don’t work in offices/stores/hangars/guard airfields.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 13:01
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Shouldn't it now be, 'aviators and aviatrixes'?

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Old 28th Nov 2021, 13:06
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I tend to agree with him! An ‘aviator’, by definition, ‘aviates’ - they don’t work in offices/stores/hangars/guard airfields.
By the same token, not all sailors sail.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 13:21
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'Last night, Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston said: 'With more than one in five of our recruits now women, the title 'airmen' does not reflect a modern, diverse Royal Air Force'
We live in a democracy , where we abide by the majority.
Why does he believe it has to change because 20% of recruits are women?
Has the term airman and airwoman put off potential recruits? We need to be told.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 14:04
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Well since you are all no doubt still serving, and this is in some way relevant to you, why don't you all fill in the survey doing the rounds on this matter. I have.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 15:22
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Dear me, what utter woke bolleaux! No doubt amending all the publications, MAFL etc. to reflect this nonsense will be a whole lot of fun too.

Are rank titles such as Senior Aircraftman going to change to something else too?
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 15:27
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No doubt amending all the publications, MAFL etc. to reflect this nonsense will be a whole lot of fun too.
Plenty of holding officers around to do all the Ctrl F/Replace with on the docs while they wait for a slot on a course
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 15:31
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Utter madness. I do believe salutes, Sir and Maam are also now in the firing line according to a chat with some friends still serving. Add to that the top brass want to be the first to be carbon neutral and the colours of the rainbow now seem to be the official RAF Colours and I bet the Chinese and Russians are pi$$ing themselves laughing.
Saw 4 airmen (can I still say that?) in the local town last week. 4 different types of boots, no hats, 3 with really awful beards and jackets flapping open. I have seen more professional looking members of the Taliban. Never have I been so glad to be a civvy and well away from this crap.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 15:34
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4 different types of boots.
The horror.

Who cares as long as it's in the RTS/the right colour.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 15:36
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Aviator n. One who flies aircraft.
Sailor n. Seaman or mariner.


I rest my case.

You’d think he had better things to do.

Mog (aviator and sailor)
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 15:53
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The horror.

Who cares as long as it's in the RTS/the right colour.

Mmm, well I think we should care and I’m not ex military, only ever having flown civilian.
Taking a pride in wearing a uniform in the correct manner, is surely the foundation of self discipline that must be a pre-requisite of anyone who may one day have to carry out orders, whilst serving their country?! I despair…I wear my airline uniform with pride (perhaps not as much pride as I once did) and would certainly wear a service uniform correctly and with pride
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 15:57
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The poor Diversity induced Wokies are catching up with the spams who changed to this term a few months ago….a complete travesty in my view.

Driven, no doubt, by MOD hiring a diversity and equality ‘advisor’ who at this rate (using corrected terminology) is likely to be “directing the next conflict from a conciliatory view of the “conflict arena” and counting the Aviators rearranged into separated articles during the dispute in order to complain about the percentage of non-defined genders abused by the opposing party”.

I wish them well, but I will walk away laughing.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 16:05
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Originally Posted by JOSHUA View Post
Mmm, well I think we should care and I’m not ex military, only ever having flown civilian.
Taking a pride in wearing a uniform in the correct manner, is surely the foundation of self discipline that must be a pre-requisite of anyone who may one day have to carry out orders, whilst serving their country?! I despair…I wear my airline uniform with pride (perhaps not as much pride as I once did) and would certainly wear a service uniform correctly and with pride
It's actually a good thing that there is more than one type of footwear on issue. The realisation that different manufacturers cater to different types of feet/environments giving people the choice to wear what is comfortable and appropriate. There are currently three colours of flying boot available on issue/in service AFAIK (black/brown/tan?) so realistically even the colour doesn't matter, but maybe a tan pair of desert flying boots aren't appropriate given the UK temperate climate at this time of year.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 16:09
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How about Warriair?
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 16:18
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The irony of it all is that Monty Python were correct all along. Because that's the way it's going.
'I suppose you'd rather be at the pictures, than marching up and down the square?'
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 17:24
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In my country, all of the Air Force members are called aviators. This is also the title of the lowest rank. I happened to be a second class aviator, driving a fire engine. People flying aboard aircrafts are called "crew members", and among them, those actually driving the planes are called "pilots".
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 18:16
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Or perhaps aircrew should now become known as 'real aviators' ......

Those who wish to change the English language such that it has ambiguity between singular and plural (the use of the word 'they') are not good communicators. Those who fail to acknowledge that in order for an animal species (of which homo sapiens is one) to continue to exist there must be biological male and female members of the species which mate are denying the fundamental scientific basis for mammalian life. Yes, there are hermaphrodite animal species but currently they are not eligible for employment in the RAF.

It is absolutely right to respect lifestyle choices and individual preferences (as long as these do not offend and disadvantage others) and language should not be offensive but we must not corrupt our language such that it becomes ambiguous and factually and scientifically incorrect.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 18:22
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So you've all filled in the survey on MODNET then? Because it affects you all?
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