US Women will need to register for the draft?
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US Women will need to register for the draft?
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...ter-draft.html
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet.
Although nobody is about to be drafted at the moment, it's not inconceivable at some stage in the future (for men and also women, should the bill be approved).
I supposed its come about as a direct consequence of equal rights and if women want things to be equal, there are pro's and con's. No doubt at all that some women are more than capable of being good soldiers, but I think that the proportion who are not, is significantly higher than those who would be. This is probably the opposite to men, so would you really want lots of poor soldiers in the front line? I wouldn't.
Then again, if you started selecting who to take on their perceived ability, that opens up a minefield as people are then discriminated, when I believe the whole point of the bill is about equality. It will likely get messy.
Whilst this is a US issue at the moment, I'm sure its something other countries will have to consider, though you know that some countries won't...
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet.
Although nobody is about to be drafted at the moment, it's not inconceivable at some stage in the future (for men and also women, should the bill be approved).
I supposed its come about as a direct consequence of equal rights and if women want things to be equal, there are pro's and con's. No doubt at all that some women are more than capable of being good soldiers, but I think that the proportion who are not, is significantly higher than those who would be. This is probably the opposite to men, so would you really want lots of poor soldiers in the front line? I wouldn't.
Then again, if you started selecting who to take on their perceived ability, that opens up a minefield as people are then discriminated, when I believe the whole point of the bill is about equality. It will likely get messy.
Whilst this is a US issue at the moment, I'm sure its something other countries will have to consider, though you know that some countries won't...
You are making unwarranted assumptions in your analysis I suggest. Not all members of the military have to be in the front line. There is a significant support element. There is no reason I can see why women should not serve as ably as men in all branches according to their capabilities in the same way men do. In my own specialisation, around 40% were women and their gender was never an issue. The best boss I ever had was a woman.
I have seen a female accounts officer disarm 3 men while armed with nothing more than a piece of metal conduit. Never judge a book by its cover.
I have seen a female accounts officer disarm 3 men while armed with nothing more than a piece of metal conduit. Never judge a book by its cover.
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If you read the comments on the linked article, other countries have thought about it-notably Sweden which reintroduced the draft not that long ago.
As another comment there says either both genders have to register or scrap the whole thing.
If you read the comments on the linked article, other countries have thought about it-notably Sweden which reintroduced the draft not that long ago.
As another comment there says either both genders have to register or scrap the whole thing.
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You are making unwarranted assumptions in your analysis I suggest. Not all members of the military have to be in the front line. There is a significant support element. There is no reason I can see why women should not serve as ably as men in all branches according to their capabilities in the same way men do. In my own specialisation, around 40% were women and their gender was never an issue. The best boss I ever had was a woman.
I have seen a female accounts officer disarm 3 men while armed with nothing more than a piece of metal conduit. Never judge a book by its cover.
I have seen a female accounts officer disarm 3 men while armed with nothing more than a piece of metal conduit. Never judge a book by its cover.
Equality means being subject to heading off to war like the fellas.
Welcome to brush wars and insurgencies. REMF, POG, in the rear with the beer and the gear and other expressions of life spent behind the wire are hardly accurate anymore. One resupply mission to an outpost puts you on the front lines. One humanitarian mission to help rebuild a school puts you on the front lines. Simply being in country often puts you on the front lines as evidenced by a number of dead and a large loss of Harriers being destroyed while nested away for the night.
Equality means being subject to heading off to war like the fellas.
Equality means being subject to heading off to war like the fellas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11688205
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-comrade.html
The one good result of Daughters having to register for the Draft (our Selective Service System or Conscription) is hopefully when it comes to shipping your Daughter off to War in some foreign place....the Mom's and Dad's might begin to insist that it really must be a genuine necessity.
Historically we accept the concept that our Son's must serve in time of War and we have endured their loss in combat.
I had a friend who had to see his Daughter deploy to Afghanistan....and it was a very traumatic experience for him.
He put on a brave face at the airport but later at his home he was not able to maintain that facade.....and seeing him in Tears over it was a very emotional experience.
He said he had seen his Son go off to Iraq....and that was hard enough but he never dreamed he would ever see his Daughter headed off for combat.
Women are quite capable of serving and if we are going to insist on equal opportunity then having them subject to being drafted is only fair.
That being said....hopefully we shall be much more careful about getting involved in War.
Historically we accept the concept that our Son's must serve in time of War and we have endured their loss in combat.
I had a friend who had to see his Daughter deploy to Afghanistan....and it was a very traumatic experience for him.
He put on a brave face at the airport but later at his home he was not able to maintain that facade.....and seeing him in Tears over it was a very emotional experience.
He said he had seen his Son go off to Iraq....and that was hard enough but he never dreamed he would ever see his Daughter headed off for combat.
Women are quite capable of serving and if we are going to insist on equal opportunity then having them subject to being drafted is only fair.
That being said....hopefully we shall be much more careful about getting involved in War.
Kinda my point. You don't need to be a gun totin' pack haulin' hairy infanteer to go to war or do a useful job.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11688205
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-comrade.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11688205
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-comrade.html
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Norway has compulsory national service for men and women for some time and around 30% are women, not everyone is selected you have to be fit and have a relevant skill, no reason why women should not serve alongside men as long as they have the right skills
Everyone says they want equality, until they are treated equally .
The real questions will be asked if they actually start conscription again .
Being registered for the draft does not really matter until actual conscription is activated.
How vulnerable are women to Bone Spurs and other Maladies ?
The real questions will be asked if they actually start conscription again .
Being registered for the draft does not really matter until actual conscription is activated.
How vulnerable are women to Bone Spurs and other Maladies ?
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Not so sure. Your point seemed to be that one could be in the rear and serve effectively, to which I agree. We differ in that the past 10-15 years of US combat operations have had no defined front lines as you call it. There’s no sending daughters oversees with the expectation they will be safe. Safer perhaps than the grunts, but not safe as say a mechanic hundred of miles away from the front lines in a traditional land war.
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I don´t know what the current ratio is for support functions vs. real manly man warriors hauling 60 pound rucks for 25 miles straight with the occasional panzer battle in between. Probably 20:1 or even steeper. Most people have no idea anyway what the military does on a daily basis; combat roles are a super important, but increasingly specialised part of todays forces, it´s not even sure you would use any non-volunteers at all in there. I´d actually be more worried about the culture within the military. Given that women rarely engange in direct combat, he greatest threat to female soldiers are their own "brothers" in arms. There is a clear majority of military men who will not intervene against a substantial minoritys´ rapey beliefs and behaviors. In GWOT theatres, there where way more female GIs raped by their own than hurt by the enemy. PTSD in female veterans is largely internally inflicted. Not sure this is too different in other countries, and probably worse when you factor in who you might ally yourself with in a large scale conflict. That´s actually the main problem I would see in a wartime general draft. Units where 50% of staff have to panic over approx. 3-5% of their colleagues, and know the other 45% don´t know what to do about it, will likely be way more dysfunctional than any reasonably fit woman in a physical job. But somehow this damage to resources is a non-issue?
Two Female US Army Soldiers have won the Silver Star for Gallantry since WWII....one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan.
The first was a Military Policeman who assaulted enemy trenches during an ambush of the convoy assigned to guard.
In the process she had her Humvee driver straddle an enemy trench and she an another Soldier cleared several trenches and killing many enemy combatants with rifle fire and grenades.
The other was a Combat Medic, also riding in a Humvee in a Convoy escort.
A vehicle with five occupants struck an IED which also triggered an ambush of the convoy,
Without hesitation she and another Soldier ran through direct enemy rifle, machine-gun and RPG fire to the stricken vehicle and she immediately provided critical life saving care under direct enemy fire.
Then there was that wee half pint British Army Medic that did quite the same thing and earned an Award as well.
The Ladies can and will fight and do so with gallantry just as the biggest hairest shaved Ape amongst us.
Just as in the Male of the species....we have to make sure we enlist those who can and will perform as needed during times of great stress, risk, and difficulty.....and meet that standard.
The first was a Military Policeman who assaulted enemy trenches during an ambush of the convoy assigned to guard.
In the process she had her Humvee driver straddle an enemy trench and she an another Soldier cleared several trenches and killing many enemy combatants with rifle fire and grenades.
The other was a Combat Medic, also riding in a Humvee in a Convoy escort.
A vehicle with five occupants struck an IED which also triggered an ambush of the convoy,
Without hesitation she and another Soldier ran through direct enemy rifle, machine-gun and RPG fire to the stricken vehicle and she immediately provided critical life saving care under direct enemy fire.
Then there was that wee half pint British Army Medic that did quite the same thing and earned an Award as well.
The Ladies can and will fight and do so with gallantry just as the biggest hairest shaved Ape amongst us.
Just as in the Male of the species....we have to make sure we enlist those who can and will perform as needed during times of great stress, risk, and difficulty.....and meet that standard.
During WWII ...
.. I seem to recall that the (now current) queen drove a truck for the British army. I don't know how far behind the lines that would have been, seing as how any military facilities were potential targets for air strikes.
Two Female US Army Soldiers have won the Silver Star for Gallantry since WWII....one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan.
The first was a Military Policeman who assaulted enemy trenches during an ambush of the convoy assigned to guard.
In the process she had her Humvee driver straddle an enemy trench and she an another Soldier cleared several trenches and killing many enemy combatants with rifle fire and grenades.
The other was a Combat Medic, also riding in a Humvee in a Convoy escort.
A vehicle with five occupants struck an IED which also triggered an ambush of the convoy,
Without hesitation she and another Soldier ran through direct enemy rifle, machine-gun and RPG fire to the stricken vehicle and she immediately provided critical life saving care under direct enemy fire.
Then there was that wee half pint British Army Medic that did quite the same thing and earned an Award as well.
The Ladies can and will fight and do so with gallantry just as the biggest hairest shaved Ape amongst us.
Just as in the Male of the species....we have to make sure we enlist those who can and will perform as needed during times of great stress, risk, and difficulty.....and meet that standard.
The first was a Military Policeman who assaulted enemy trenches during an ambush of the convoy assigned to guard.
In the process she had her Humvee driver straddle an enemy trench and she an another Soldier cleared several trenches and killing many enemy combatants with rifle fire and grenades.
The other was a Combat Medic, also riding in a Humvee in a Convoy escort.
A vehicle with five occupants struck an IED which also triggered an ambush of the convoy,
Without hesitation she and another Soldier ran through direct enemy rifle, machine-gun and RPG fire to the stricken vehicle and she immediately provided critical life saving care under direct enemy fire.
Then there was that wee half pint British Army Medic that did quite the same thing and earned an Award as well.
The Ladies can and will fight and do so with gallantry just as the biggest hairest shaved Ape amongst us.
Just as in the Male of the species....we have to make sure we enlist those who can and will perform as needed during times of great stress, risk, and difficulty.....and meet that standard.
Jack
That is her indeed....a very courageous youngster who genuinely earned that Award and Recognition for her courage under fire while giving medical care to the wounded while under hostile fire.
The instinct to fight and protect your comrades is no less prevalent in any combat soldier of either gender. And yes I am being old fashioned in suggesting there are only two.
I suspect that you are referring to five foot tall Kate Nesbitt MC, a Royal Navy medic, who won the award whilst serving alongside 2 PARA aged 21 in 2009. She's since gone up in rank if n to in height, vide https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-43518175
Jack
Jack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Norris
Well, let's just wait and see, shall we? Time itself will tell.
And when (as is utterly ineviatble) we have a platoon or larger of mixed sex taken by those who wish the West ill, and we are treated to youtube videos of the women soldiers being gang-raped in front of their helpess male colleagues what are we to do? More to the point, what will we do? As a society?
You'd better believe that there are factions out there who recognise all to clearly the appalling and fatal weakness in our society's 'moral' compass that both inists that women must have 'equal rights' and all that high-faluting nonesense, but will squeal and dissolve into paroxysms of agony, self guilt and will collapse headlong in the disastrous self-inflicted propaganda that this idiotic, self-imposed sutuation guarantees we are going to have to have to face before long.
The power of such an event would be indescribable - and probably unanswerable.
Don't take this post as sexist! This is an inevitable (and for us - unconquerable, in our weakness) reality our misplaced 'equality' programme guarantees as a certainty before long, and the enemy knows it. It is pure, military folly.
The next war may well be won by a single action of the bad guys simply on the basis of atrocities perpetrated/threatened on a dozen (female) soldiers published on the internet.
Does anyone really believe that in our Western pussified, weakling and risk-averse society we could/would stand up to a brutal demonstration of that sort?
I, for one, do not.
I think public opinion would force a cave-in within hours.
I simply cannot see the justifcation of deploying women in the front line in a war against people who value women and their "rights" less than animals. If we do so we simply risk sign our own surrender over a matter of silly "equalitist' dogma. What a stupid way to go!
Because both we and they know our society doesn't have the spine to stand up to a threat like that.
Am I wrong?
And when (as is utterly ineviatble) we have a platoon or larger of mixed sex taken by those who wish the West ill, and we are treated to youtube videos of the women soldiers being gang-raped in front of their helpess male colleagues what are we to do? More to the point, what will we do? As a society?
You'd better believe that there are factions out there who recognise all to clearly the appalling and fatal weakness in our society's 'moral' compass that both inists that women must have 'equal rights' and all that high-faluting nonesense, but will squeal and dissolve into paroxysms of agony, self guilt and will collapse headlong in the disastrous self-inflicted propaganda that this idiotic, self-imposed sutuation guarantees we are going to have to have to face before long.
The power of such an event would be indescribable - and probably unanswerable.
Don't take this post as sexist! This is an inevitable (and for us - unconquerable, in our weakness) reality our misplaced 'equality' programme guarantees as a certainty before long, and the enemy knows it. It is pure, military folly.
The next war may well be won by a single action of the bad guys simply on the basis of atrocities perpetrated/threatened on a dozen (female) soldiers published on the internet.
Does anyone really believe that in our Western pussified, weakling and risk-averse society we could/would stand up to a brutal demonstration of that sort?
I, for one, do not.
I think public opinion would force a cave-in within hours.
I simply cannot see the justifcation of deploying women in the front line in a war against people who value women and their "rights" less than animals. If we do so we simply risk sign our own surrender over a matter of silly "equalitist' dogma. What a stupid way to go!
Because both we and they know our society doesn't have the spine to stand up to a threat like that.
Am I wrong?
I suppose similar atrocities carried out on the manly men soldiers with the helpless females looking on did not show on your radar?
Knowing some of our adversaries in a certain region have rather odd ideas about such matters....it is not inconceivable that is one of the many sights we may see on World Television Nightly News Reports one evening.
I worry more about not being capable of fielding a genuinely effective fighting force due to the social engineering that is going on these days than the scenario you present.
Combine that with the participation trophy snowflake mentality that is infesting today's youth and the specter of seeing our Soldiers in a position where that might. happen is getting more likely. I am thinking.
If we are going to wage War...we need to learn from our lessons taught to us by our many involvements in limited wars.....and get back to the true essence of war and reverse the trend towards self defeat before the first shot is ever fired.
Knowing some of our adversaries in a certain region have rather odd ideas about such matters....it is not inconceivable that is one of the many sights we may see on World Television Nightly News Reports one evening.
I worry more about not being capable of fielding a genuinely effective fighting force due to the social engineering that is going on these days than the scenario you present.
Combine that with the participation trophy snowflake mentality that is infesting today's youth and the specter of seeing our Soldiers in a position where that might. happen is getting more likely. I am thinking.
If we are going to wage War...we need to learn from our lessons taught to us by our many involvements in limited wars.....and get back to the true essence of war and reverse the trend towards self defeat before the first shot is ever fired.
