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Old 27th Sep 2021, 09:51
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
And I believe I'm right in saying the limit for carriage in jerrycans is one approved 5L can. Why the forecourt operators don't clamp down on those shipping excessive quantities in their cars / vans and contravening the dangerous goods regs I simply don't understand. I imagine they'd rather trouser the cash.
Difficult for them to police I imagine. I've heard of several members of staff receiving considerable verbal abuse at the hands of shouty cretins already. They should hand CCTV footage to police of anybody filling multiple cans, bound to have it. Instant £500 - no, let's be generous, £1000 fine, no appeal.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 09:52
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Brexit was fairly widely reported, as I recall, so shouldn't government, haulier managers and HR people have been aware for several years of the likely need to recruit and train up more HGV drivers, (and also of the need to improve HGV driver's terms and conditions, if that was an issue)?

What about a fast-track scheme to get redundant pilots trained up? Pilots are a known good resource of responsible people with good hand-eye coordination, used to learning and following rules, procedures and safety, and medically checked and fit.

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Old 27th Sep 2021, 10:09
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Difficult for them to police I imagine. I've heard of several members of staff receiving considerable verbal abuse at the hands of shouty cretins already. They should hand CCTV footage to police of anybody filling multiple cans, bound to have it. Instant £500 - no, let's be generous, £1000 fine, no appeal.
Very good solution.

However it always amazes me when businesses such as public transport operators are more than happy to challenge people for not paying for a ticket, (or indeed petrol station operators for not paying for fuel), but during the pandemic restrictions felt they didn't want to put their employees at risk by challenging them over face coverings.

That excuse reeks of hypocrisy.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 10:24
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Talking of hypocrisy, everyone without exception is criticising these panic buyers - I’ve not heard one voice endorsing their actions - but clearly thousands of people are doing it, despite their hollow words, otherwise we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 10:31
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
Talking of hypocrisy, everyone without exception is criticising these panic buyers - I’ve not heard one voice endorsing their actions - but clearly thousands of people are doing it, despite their hollow words, otherwise we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.
That has occurred to me. However everyone who is vox-popped has in their opinion a very valid reason for desperately needing fuel, taxi driver, van driver, kid with asthma, elderly parents, need car to get to work / kids to school. Everyone's journey is apparently essential so in their little minds their topping up isn't panic buying its essential purchasing.

Me, I'm an appalling queuer, I hate it, and simply won't sit in a queue waiting for fuel. I very fortunately filled up on Thursday afternoon before the nonsense broke out. When the car gets towards 1/4 of a tank I'll look to refuel, if I can't get any easily then the car goes off the road - until I can buy hassle free. I don't work, I can handle that for a few days - no different from going down with a heavy cold. And there's always shanks' pony and public transport.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 10:34
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If the media didn't hype thinks up in the first place would it still happen, ignorance is bliss.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 10:44
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One excuse I heard of for having six jerry cans in the boot was "I take the old folk from the home out for drives and if I don't have the fuel they'll be disappointed". Hmmm. My house-bound aunt's carer is supposed to be taking her to the surgery on Wednesday for a flu jab. If she hasn't got fuel she won't be coming as she has to get between the different pensioners she helps, let alone taking Aunty to the surgery...

I hate queuing too - I refused to join the insane sheep who were panic buying up Tescos last March, which meant I actually was short on veg/fruit etc for a week or two, risking scurvy. Arrrrrr, shiver me timbers! Ooops, that was last Sunday week...
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 11:00
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I wonder what it takes to cause queues at petrol stations: On the motorway, a couple of drivers suddenly slowing by a few mph can cause a traffic jam to form if the following traffic reacts likewise, sending a slow wave through the traffic behind.

Most of us probably don't normally refuel until we are down to a 1/4 tank or less - (I wait until the low level light comes on; at which point I have about 50 miles of petrol left). But if we hear about a potential petrol shortage, we might refuel at say, 1/3 of a tank instead. Perhaps this very small change in our behaviour is enough to cause an actual shortage?
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 11:11
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Anyone know how I can stock up on gas for the winter?
Use lots now, before there’s a shortage.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 11:15
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
Brexit was fairly widely reported, as I recall, so shouldn't government, haulier managers and HR people have been aware for several years of the likely need to recruit and train up more HGV drivers, (and also of the need to improve HGV driver's terms and conditions, if that was an issue)?
Can a haulier do that? Can anyone train an HGV driver or does it have to be done by an accredited agency? As I understood it, and I may be mistaken, I thought people funded their own training and then sought employment. I believe there is a precedent for such a system?
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 11:15
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
Talking of hypocrisy, everyone without exception is criticising these panic buyers - I’ve not heard one voice endorsing their actions - but clearly thousands of people are doing it, despite their hollow words, otherwise we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.
Hypocrisy ? - don't think so, unless all the complainers on here are secretly out there joining the queues.
Stupidity ? yes - Cupidity ? - probably, brain-dead lemming-like idiocy ? Yep, that'll do it ! It is a characteristic becoming ever more common in populations no longer reliant on common-sense or even ability to think for themselves, but moved only by the latest nonsense emanating from their chosen 'social media' or advertising idiocy.
The hypocrisy label should be, rightly, pinned on those who, aware of the mounting problem, attempted to brush it off, rather than assume responsibility and take timely action.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 11:47
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There was a very good interview with Professor Stephen Reicher on the R4 Today programme this morning just after the 0830 news bulletin (available on BBC Sounds). The Professor is from the School of Psychology and Neuroscience at St Andrews University. He pointed out that normally during a crisis people will cooperate for the common good but there is an exception. So called panic buying is in fact the natural human response to a resource that is in short supply. It is a similar phenomenon to the periodic sales in shops. People want to gain and protect what they see as their share. He made the point that the best way to obviate this would have been to put the shortage into context. At the start of the crisis, the shortage was not widespread and at that point, had the government and the media run stories of people having no difficulty in getting petrol and shown images of open petrol stations, then people would have been more sanguine about the issue. Of course it would not have sold many newspapers or filled up so much air time and it is not the natural thing for the media to do. The other issue was one of trust. If people trusted the government, then when they say there is not a problem, people would be more likely to believe them and less likely to do the direct opposite. He made the point that during the handling of the pandemic, the government had squandered this trust with their do as I say not as I do attitude, so when a minister makes a statement, saying there will not be a problem if people do not panic buy, the queues immediately start to form.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 12:03
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This is how your fuel will be distributed in the future.




This is how you now fill up in the future.





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At least the BBC had an appropriately named reporter to cover one of the shortages...
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 12:07
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
Can a haulier do that? Can anyone train an HGV driver or does it have to be done by an accredited agency? As I understood it, and I may be mistaken, I thought people funded their own training and then sought employment. I believe there is a precedent for such a system?
Quite. UK companies don't want to pay the training cost, they'd rather someone else did then they can poach the trained staff. Some bin wagon drivers have already been approached on their rounds and offered £££ to go drive for Tesco etc.

UK is run by bean counters who know the cost of everything and insist on it being the lowest possible to maximise returns to shareholders, Sadly they are not interested in the long term value of anything.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 12:13
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Next there will be a shortage at the sperm banks because all the w @ nkers will be queueing up at petrol stations for £3.75 worth of fuel to top the tank up.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
Brexit was fairly widely reported, as I recall, so shouldn't government, haulier managers and HR people have been aware for several years of the likely need to recruit and train up more HGV drivers, (and also of the need to improve HGV driver's terms and conditions, if that was an issue)?
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A lot would be nothing to do with Brexit, you have had in essence nearly 2 years of no training or testing going on due to Covid, so with people moving out of the industry or retiring you now have a shortage, as the replacements that would have taken their places are not there.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 12:39
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All my local petrol stations are out, with frustrated drivers circulating between them. I'm going to limit my vehicle use to essential trips only for the time being.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 12:42
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...and somebody living in my neighbourhood has found his car with the filler cap forced open, a hole drilled in the bottom of the tank and all the fuel gone...
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 12:45
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
There was a very good interview with Professor Stephen Reicher on the R4 Today programme this morning just after the 0830 news bulletin (available on BBC Sounds). The Professor is from the School of Psychology and Neuroscience at St Andrews University. .
Just to add to that, and the rest of the post was very pertinent I have to say, last year during the height of the pandemic, Professor Reicher was frequently interviewed on C4 News. His views and professional observations as to how the public react in times of crisis were eloquent and delivered in a manner that showed how a genuine expert (in any field) can communicate effectively in layman's terms. Always worth watching and listening to.

This, as we know, was in stark contrast to Boris, "some bloke in a pub" Hancock, Raab, the charmless Ms Patel and any other passing Minister who could be told to appear and spout forth whatever they were told to say.

Wasn't averse to be critical of the Gov't either, so probably won't be appearing on any honours list
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 12:53
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AnnaKim, I think this answers your question:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.j...else-is-290755

"I'm only queueing because everybody else is queueing, to be honest“
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