Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
Reload this Page >

Qantas terminates long haul cabin crew agreement, demands more flexibility

Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

Qantas terminates long haul cabin crew agreement, demands more flexibility

Old 19th Jan 2022, 23:39
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Earth
Posts: 166
Likes: 0
Received 25 Likes on 11 Posts
Qantas terminates long haul cabin crew agreement, demands more flexibility

https://www.reuters.com/article/qant...-idINL1N2TZ2W1

If they win this, it may set the tone for other EBA's battle.
unobtanium is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 00:29
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Lagrangian point 2
Posts: 282
Received 33 Likes on 7 Posts
Never waste a crisis.


Its as much a threat to every other employee group who will be in negotiations soon, as it is to deal with the International Cabin Crew negotiations now.
ExtraShot is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 00:44
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 553
Received 291 Likes on 101 Posts
Weren’t the EFA folks hoping to get there EA cancelled to get a pay rise?
aussieflyboy is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 00:48
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kichin
Posts: 1,022
Received 652 Likes on 181 Posts
Millions of dollars skimmed away by upper managers while many have lost everything (in some cases mates-permanently) and now QF want to screw their staff down some more. Disgraceful! The end of an airline job as a career Australia is upon us.
gordonfvckingramsay is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 00:50
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 143
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 4 Posts
That is a very disturbing article on a number of levels. That suggests the cabin crew would have to remain emergency procedures proficient across multiple aircraft types for less than the current remuneration. If you are continuously changing aircraft types, to maintain safety margins you would have to be continuously re-familiarising with the emergency equipment layout and procedures for each aircraft type which would leave very little spare time for providing ancillary functions such as aisle service.
Mr Proach is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 00:51
  #6 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Earth
Posts: 166
Likes: 0
Received 25 Likes on 11 Posts
Is going back to award wages a pay rise for them?
unobtanium is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:06
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Here and there....currently here.
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Mr Proach
That is a very disturbing article on a number of levels. That suggests the cabin crew would have to remain emergency procedures proficient across multiple aircraft types for less than the current remuneration. If you are continuously changing aircraft types, to maintain safety margins you would have to be continuously re-familiarising with the emergency equipment layout and procedures for each aircraft type which would leave very little spare time for providing ancillary functions such as aisle service.
You mean in the way other airlines CC such as BA, Virgin Atlantic and Australia (when they had LH B777 and A330 types), EK, EY, QR and who knows how many others with mixed fleets operate with no significant problems? My partner is CC for an airline and works across multiple types, equipment and layouts with no issues. As an Engineer I am Licensed and work across multiple types, engines, equipment and configs (even within the same type). If the Union were a bit more aware, they should be negotiating a reasonable pay rise on the basis of their members expanded qualifications.
Tom Sawyer is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:11
  #8 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Earth
Posts: 166
Likes: 0
Received 25 Likes on 11 Posts
Maybe the company can show flexibility too by combining all the groups into one. Imagine the cost savings engineering, ground handling, HR, safety departments, managersssss......
unobtanium is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:16
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kichin
Posts: 1,022
Received 652 Likes on 181 Posts
It’s particularly curios to me that an airline bent on safety would be focused so heavily on cost cutting.

I would never suggest a nation wide airline staff strike, that would be inciteful.
gordonfvckingramsay is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:17
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Coal Face
Posts: 1,286
Received 316 Likes on 121 Posts
This is laughable. Says EBA that was voted down will allegedly cost (no doubt some pretty loose assumptions being used to bump up the figure) the airline $60m over 4 years. So less than the CEOs salary then?
Chronic Snoozer is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:20
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Home
Posts: 87
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Mr Proach
If you are continuously changing aircraft types, to maintain safety margins you would have to be continuously re-familiarising with the emergency equipment layout and procedures for each aircraft type which would leave very little spare time for providing ancillary functions such as aisle service.
Your entire post reads like it's from someone that has little understanding of what CC do. The simple act of being dual- or triple-endorsed isn't what you're making it out to be. If someone is passing their EPs and checks consistently, and possesses any kind of awareness around their job, they shouldn't have a problem in carrying out their duties properly. Technically, an aircraft shouldn't be boarded let alone departed unless all equipment checks have been carried out - so I'm unsure what kind of aisle service you're thinking people are being deprived of. There's a valid argument to be had around what QF is trying to pull, but the angle you're using isn't really it.
regional_flyer is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:23
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kichin
Posts: 1,022
Received 652 Likes on 181 Posts
Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
This is laughable. Says EBA that was voted down will allegedly cost (no doubt some pretty loose assumptions being used to bump up the figure) the airline $60m over 4 years. So less than the CEOs salary then?
One person costing (and I mean costing) more than the entire workforce (and I mean those who do the work). That right there speaks volumes about the regime leading us.
gordonfvckingramsay is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:25
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 76
Received 10 Likes on 7 Posts
Wouldn't it be funny if they couldn't find enough Flight Attendants to crew the flights they want to operate?
Chris2303 is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:42
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Not at work
Posts: 1,569
Received 59 Likes on 30 Posts
Originally Posted by Chris2303
Wouldn't it be funny if they couldn't find enough Flight Attendants to crew the flights they want to operate?
Probably why they’re recruiting onto the new leaner contract right now
https://qantas.wd3.myworkdayjobs.com...in-Crew_R77479
Transition Layer is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:13
  #15 (permalink)  
Keg

Nunc est bibendum
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,583
Received 11 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
If the Union were a bit more aware, they should be negotiating a reasonable pay rise on the basis of their members expanded qualifications.
They tried. They were told ‘no’.

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay

I would never suggest a nation wide airline staff strike, that would be inciteful.
And a strike would likely be illegal. With damages potentially awarded against those who do strike.
Keg is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:25
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 610
Received 137 Likes on 44 Posts
Pretty hypocritical of Qantas to say that the current contract’s rostering provisions are inflexible, when they are the ones who put them in place to cut costs.

LH crew used to fly on all LH types (I believe) and then Qantas wanted cheaper crew to fly on the A380. They came up with a very cheap B-scale that all CC on the A380 were covered by. The original LH crew remained on the 767, 330 and 747.
Then the 787 came along and again Qantas only wanted cheaper CC on it.
The 767 and the 747 have been retired so the original crew are now marooned on the A330. But this was all orchestrated by Qantas to drive down CC salaries, yet Qantas have the gall to say the contract needs to be ripped up due to the very rostering practices they forced into place.

Typical disgusting behaviour from Qantas IR.
Beer Baron is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:27
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Sydney
Age: 47
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Ex AN CC here. We were endorsed on the 767, 737, 727 & A320 it was no big deal.

But at the same time I agree with what Beer Baron said above. Plenty of mates at QF and they were not allowed to go over to the A380 & 787 unless they were happy to get screwed deluxe and accept a new award.
tong is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:37
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Australia
Posts: 267
Received 35 Likes on 18 Posts
Plenty of pilots out there saying this couldn’t / wouldn’t happen when the opposition’s pilot EA was up for vote the second time around.
Colonel_Klink is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:47
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kichin
Posts: 1,022
Received 652 Likes on 181 Posts
Originally Posted by Keg
And a strike would likely be illegal. With damages potentially awarded against those who do strike.
Ok, Protected Industrial Action
gordonfvckingramsay is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2022, 07:12
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
Ok, Protected Industrial Action
You need to have gone past the expiry date of your enterprise agreement to be able to follow the process to get approval from Fair Work to conduct protected industrial action. Moreover, the action cannot be in support of claims by workers under a different industrial agreement. So, no, there cannot be ‘industry wide‘ protected industrial action.
theheadmaster is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.