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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 21:46
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picked up when they were looking for a female name and ther was a male name in the seat.
So then they ask where should you be sitting and he points to where the female is and they go "Are you Jane Doe?" and she says yes , well that makes the head count ok because we know she is on board, so move along nothing to see here. Jane Doe is on the aircraft. What if the wife was sitting in the swapped seat. If they were doing the head count and saw a female in the seat would they have queried who she was? I bet not. Then, horror of horrors, the aircraft would have departed with someone in the wrong seat!!!
Or they just could have seen him do it.
So not seeing him do it results in the aircraft departing and flying to it's destination safely, with no screaming match or tasering prior to departure, but seeing him do it results in a screaming match and a tasering? You have to ask if making the fuss is worth it. Does it really matter what seat you sit in as long as you are actually on the aircraft? It's not like they do an ID check on everyone to ensure the seating matches the manifest each and every time before departure.
If they had asked the cabin crew if they could swap and been given permission, especially in the hustle and bustle of boarding, is that ever noted anywhere? Is the change radioed or ACARS back to base so that the all important paperwork is kept up to date. My a*se it ever would be.
As for the vital "paperwork", there is no need for anyone on board to even prove they are who they claim to be anyway. There is no requirement to show ID buying the ticket, checking in, getting on board, or after seating to confirm that the right people are in the right seat (apparently a vital safety consideration!). So what does it really matter who sits where? If the head count (that's if they even do one) matches the expected number they're closing the door and going. They wouldn't have a clue who is actually on board or who is sitting where. It's all just assumptions.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 21:53
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they got away with it at launch because the limits applicable to the weight and balance envelope contained substantial buffers to accommodate that system rather than an index effect for each kg in each seat based on passenger weight. Please learn something about weight and balance before making such a statement.
​​ Each kg in each seat
Wrong again.

I believe their system works on 3 aircraft zones and not on the individual seat. So a person can be anywhere in a particular zone (front or back) yet have no effect on the weight and balance calculations.

Please get your facts right before making false statements. Seems obvious here who doesn't know about weight and balance.

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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 21:59
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So if he had swapped seats without asking after take off would they have turned the plane around and had the police meet them on the tarmac?
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 22:05
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
I'd go one step further and say Facebook not the internet. Everything seemed normal until about 2009ish then it all just went off the rails in terms of social interaction/decorum.
Actually it's been going off the rails since the end of the first world war when people discovered those in authority were mostly incompetent.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 22:14
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So if he had swapped seats without asking after take off would they have turned the plane around and had the police meet them on the tarmac?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that, inferring from the "personalities" I can see in the video, quite probably.
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 04:49
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How very Australian.
There is a minor seating issue, CC can't be bothered to make the effort to help so the pax sorts it out for himself with a another. Uh Oh, he didn't count on the hurt EGO did he, so let the escalation begin. Oh, and the cops were just waiting to bring out their thuggery.
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 05:12
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I noticed CC (and police?) instructing passengers quite firmly not to film. Anyone know the legal position regarding this?
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 06:40
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Day Jar Voo, so tell us pray tell how you would handle this belligerent and defiant individual?? While you are at you might like to enlighten us why it is “very Australian”.
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 08:24
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I often found back when I was an airline Capitano that on the ground it was fairly easy to diffuse a situation by the Captain just being present.

Pax who had paid for emergency exit but had crutches, pax paid for xyz but some other issue, pax etc…..

I would never compromise the CSM’s position but merely assist. Often at times just standing in the galley when issues, amazing how quickly passengers would change their tune with CC when Captain came out.

Of course I have no idea what happened in this instance, however it is amazing that a situation can get to the taser point.

Not every pilot has the confidence to step out the flight deck (yes only on the ground), but as I said, personally I saw the change in pax behaviour several times by doing this.
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 10:39
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I noticed CC (and police?) instructing passengers quite firmly not to film. Anyone know the legal position regarding this?
If on private property one needs permission to film. It used to be written in the fine print in the in flight magazine but I think they gave up.
Public areas are fair game. Notice our ever friendly media will film in a public terminal but not inside a privately owned aircraft.
There is a caveat if you believe an offence is being committed.
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 06:42
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Is the interior of an aircraft providing public transport considered private property, I would say yes. different rules apply for public and private property? Public is OK, private property the owner dictates the rules.

https://lawpath.com.au/blog/legal-film-public-places
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 06:52
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He got what he asked for.
Shut up, listen and stop arguing.
If sitting in a cramped tin can stresses you too
much, you will have to look for a different mode of transportation.

”Get the police and I will go.”
Well, he didn’t,
didn’t shut up,
didn’t listen - behaves like a dog - and is treated like one.

Get him off the plane and get everyone else to where they want to go!
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 09:04
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator
I often found back when I was an airline Capitano that on the ground it was fairly easy to diffuse a situation by the Captain just being present.

Pax who had paid for emergency exit but had crutches, pax paid for xyz but some other issue, pax etc…..

I would never compromise the CSM’s position but merely assist. Often at times just standing in the galley when issues, amazing how quickly passengers would change their tune with CC when Captain came out.

Of course I have no idea what happened in this instance, however it is amazing that a situation can get to the taser point.

Not every pilot has the confidence to step out the flight deck (yes only on the ground), but as I said, personally I saw the change in pax behaviour several times by doing this.
Totally agree, though the times are changing. Some of the newer breed need their safe spaces and would probably feel threatened by having to deal with anything remotely confrontational.
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 10:07
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So many uneducated/unwashed /know it all DHs on this forum nowadays, oh the joys of the internet.
I sit here staring in disbelief at some of the idiot comments on here, particularly by non transport category pilots/SLF.
Old mate booked seats that weren't together, probably to get a good deal, end of frigging story. Wether or not you hate Jetstar this is not their fault. They weren't sending old mate off to the Russian front for 20 years, just asking him to sit in his allocated seat for a few hours, possibly within earshot of his beloved new born child.
Faaark some people really need to get the F over themselves
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 10:44
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Is the interior of an aircraft providing public transport considered private property, I would say yes.
There is no doubt, private property. A train or terminal is public. Some catches though, for example you are in your front garden mowing the lawn in your bikini and I drive past and snap a photo. That is legal as there is no expectation of privacy even though you are on private property as I can see you from a public road.

So in summary, by the letter of the law if crew ask you to stop filming and you don’t then you have failed to follow a lawful instruction and can be removed from the aircraft. Good luck with that.

It’s all in the how right? If I quietly ask the CM if I can swap if the other passenger agrees and make a point of being polite and respectful it would probably be successful. This tool behaved like a child.
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 11:09
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Originally Posted by airdualbleedfault
So many uneducated/unwashed /know it all DHs on this forum nowadays, oh the joys of the internet.
I sit here staring in disbelief at some of the idiot comments on here, particularly by non transport category pilots/SLF.
Old mate booked seats that weren't together, probably to get a good deal, end of frigging story. Wether or not you hate Jetstar this is not their fault. They weren't sending old mate off to the Russian front for 20 years, just asking him to sit in his allocated seat for a few hours, possibly within earshot of his beloved new born child.
Faaark some people really need to get the F over themselves
What he said.
Recently spent 3 months travelling around Europe on trains, aircraft and ferries. Bought tickets, often printed with a seat number, over which I had no control.
Found seat, sat down, made the most of the scenery.or food (such as it was), got to destination at the same time as the other hundreds on board. Job done, no one disrupting the system with seat swaps.
​​​​This guy could have just complied.and maybe later could have had a whinge on a review site like TripAdvisor.
​​​​​​Instead, what's the bet when he called in the cops he was hoping to play the victim/race card and it backfired?

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Old 26th Mar 2023, 01:01
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One time I was travelling SYD-SIN on SQ. I went to take my seat and a guy was there (economy) who said he would like to sit next to his wife.
The seat he offered me was in Business. We both cleared it with the Purser and I had a very comfortable flight. The crew were amazed he was happy to sit in economy and give up a good seat. I expect it was company travel and had to pay for his wife.
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 01:03
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One time I was travelling SYD-SIN on SQ. I went to take my seat and a guy was there (economy) who said he would like to sit next to his wife.
The seat he offered me was in Business. We both cleared it with the Purser and I had a very comfortable flight. The crew were amazed he was happy to sit in economy and give up a good seat. I expect it was company travel and had to pay for his wife.
Im guessing you’re not married ?
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 06:15
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They should bill this idiot for the cost of the electricity used to charge the taser.
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 07:02
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Clearly a race-card revolt. I gotta navigate around these trouble making self righteous nuffies at work and play. HR teams are writing volumes about how to avoid and deal with them. Being a straight,white,C of E, Aussie male I'm at a disadvantage as soon as I walk out my front gate.
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