QF mandates Vaccine

[das Uber Soldat]

Personally I think Qantas requirement is fantastic. I now get to sit back and watch the bottom 10% of the pilot gene pool throw a tantrum and have to weigh up whether they really believe that Facebook page that forms the basis of their 'research', run by a fully qualified garbage collector is worth their job.

Might even free up a few commands.

Most entertaining. I can't think of a quicker and more effective way to collectively improve the mean IQ of the Qantas pilot group.

[machtuk]

Kingair1978 you are wasting your time with the prolific posters in here who are simply followers, nothing will convince them of anything, they are sold on the Govt BS! -)
The predictable posts are amusing to read though, they do entertain me -)

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat

Personally I think Qantas requirement is fantastic. I now get to sit back and watch the bottom 10% of the pilot gene pool throw a tantrum and have to weigh up whether they really believe that Facebook page that forms the basis of their 'research', run by a fully qualified garbage collector is worth their job.

Might even free up a few commands.

Most entertaining. I can't think of a quicker and more effective way to collectively improve the mean IQ of the Qantas pilot group.

Nah! its all good news about the mandate, most at least 80% will choose to be vaccinated anyway, the rest probably will just the same. By making the Mandate the Company accepts liability for every existing employee whether they chose it or not. That has to be a good thing even though it won't be enforced and nobody will really know either way, Win Win.

[Mister Geezer]

Irrespective of if you are pro or anti-vax, the list of countries that require night-stopping crew to be vaccinated or require pre-departure testing for the unvaccinated, will only grow. The Indonesians have already mandated that all airline crew entering the country on a layover have to be vaccinated.

[Ollie Onion]

Please stop with all the Vaccine bulls*$t, if you truely believe all the anti-vaccine garbage then this is your chance to show us ‘followers’ just how committed you are to you beliefs by electing to not have it and walking away from your career. The life of a non-vaccinated person is going to become increasingly hard over the near term….. enjoy.

[TimmyTee]

I fully respect any Senior pilots’ decision to stand by their beliefs and resign in pursuit of that..

[skygeek]

We can do better

Long overdue! How much more time can the world afford for this to go on? Airlines need to take charge and show an example that they take all reasonable steps to protect their crew and customers and make us all step towards a new safer world.

After mandating Covid vaccines for both crew and passengers I would argue we should go further in protecting public health. For aviation:

1. Mandate compulsory disclosure of contagious diseases for all crew and passengers. For example herpes can be highly contagious for up to 15 days and I don't want to be sitting next to somebody or served by somebody who has it or had it recently - we all have that right!
2. All people who have vaccine exemptions (should they even be allowed to fly or use public transport?) to be boarded separately and placed in a segregated section of the airplane separated by at least a few rows (ideally by a curtain), that's should be achievable quite easily and cheaply - let's not allow any unnecessary risks! Safety first!

It might sound harsh but the above measures can easily be implemented today and the benefits far outweigh some perceived intrusion of privacy concerns.

We also should apply similar rules to other public areas adjusted for local specifics. Until we do that and continue being content with half-measures things won't get back to normal and it will be difficult to enjoy our lives again.

[hamfists]

What is the point of the mandate now? There is rock solid data out from everywhere in the world that mRNA vaccinated individuals catch Covid and pass it on at least at the same rate as the unvaccinated. The only person you are protecting by being vaccinated is yourself. That’s undeniable.

How is your own personal risk profile of any concern to anyone else?

[machtuk]

Well said 'hamfists' but save ya breath, you won't convince them, they are dead set focused on the Govts BS!

[KingAir1978]

Originally Posted by nomorecatering

Kingair1978 - words fail me.This is the idiocy of the Facbook crowd, something I wouldn't expect from a pilot.

I'm sorry you feel that you need an ad hominem attack to prove your point. You seem to have completely missed the intent behind what I have posted. I have some very serious doubts about the "vaccines". But the main point of the previous post was that I think society is moving in a very dangerous direction. Busloads full of people are wiling to throw entire law books full of rights and freedoms under the bus, to feel a little more secure.

Try to replace vaccine for headscarf and see how you think about mandating vaccines to go into public buildings. Hopefully you'll see my point. In New York the governor is now mandating vaccines for all kinds of things. These vaccines have not been fully approved yet. In the US there has been a moratorium on evictions of tenants. The government has thus de facto taken over your property. You no longer have control over it. What concerns me even more, is what is happening here on pprune as well. People on opposite sides of a political idea no longer want to hear what the other side has to say. You see this all over. The media here in the US has divided the country. You either watch FoxNews or you watch CNN. Nothing in between and definitely not both. Nobody challenges the narrative of the other side and discourse and debate should be the cornerstone of democracy.

[morno]

Looking forward to plenty of you clueless “I’m not going to get the vaccine because Alan said I must, and I know everything about vaccines” pilots sticking to your guns so that we can have a clean out of the industry and maybe even society.

At this rate, I might even be able to get a DEC at Qantas! That oughta get a few of you changing your minds

[morno]

Originally Posted by KingAir1978

I'm sorry you feel that you need an ad hominem attack to prove your point. You seem to have completely missed the intent behind what I have posted. I have some very serious doubts about the "vaccines". But the main point of the previous post was that I think society is moving in a very dangerous direction. Busloads full of people are wiling to throw entire law books full of rights and freedoms under the bus, to feel a little more secure.

Try to replace vaccine for headscarf and see how you think about mandating vaccines to go into public buildings. Hopefully you'll see my point. In New York the governor is now mandating vaccines for all kinds of things. These vaccines have not been fully approved yet. In the US there has been a moratorium on evictions of tenants. The government has thus de facto taken over your property. You no longer have control over it. What most concerns me even more, is what is happening here on pprune as well. People on opposite sides of a political idea no longer want to hear what the other side has to say. You see this all over. The media here in the US has divided the country. You either watch FoxNews or you watch CNN. Nothing in between and definitely not both. Nobody challenges the narrative of the other side and discourse and debate should be the cornerstone of democracy.

Maybe you best worry about what’s happening in your own country first then.

Tell me what the difference between mandating a vaccine for Covid is vs mandating a vaccine for say yellow fever before you can visit certain countries?

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by KingAir1978

These vaccines have not been fully approved yet.

Full approval for Pfizer is going to come next week. So what are all those who now say “the vaccines only have emergency approval!” going to say then?

”The government was pressured by the globalists and big pharma to approve their rushed vaccine” is my prediction.

People on opposite sides of a political idea no longer want to hear what the other side has to say.

That’s a bit of a middle ground fallacy. There aren’t two sides in the vaccine debate that have equal points of view that need to be listened to, there’s the overwhelming bulk of medical science on one side and dubious quacks and charlatans on the other.

[theheadmaster]

King air, instead of ‘headscarf’, replace with ‘shirt and pants’. You have to wear a shirt and pants to get into a restaurant, shop, airline aircraft etc. I don’t really think my rights are violated every day I have to step out and forced to wear clothes.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by morno

Tell me what the difference between mandating a vaccine for Covid is vs mandating a vaccine for say yellow fever before you can visit certain countries?

"LEGISLATION" If parliament legislates and makes it mandatory, we the people have spoken, you will do this if you want to enter our country. But for the office girl/CEO to do it for a select group is a step too far.

[Obba]

mRNA

Insulin is made this way...

[OutsideCAS]

Tell me what the difference between mandating a vaccine for Covid is vs mandating a vaccine for say yellow fever before you can visit certain countries?

Oh, I don't know - maybe just the small issue of a full clinical trial and published results for the former.

The Yellow Fever (vaccine) has gone through such a regimen and has full published results. I understand the need for an "emergency response" vaccine but to suggest such a product should be mandated is and would be (IMHO) a very 'shaky' ground if nothing else, legally. If you wish to take the vaccine, by all means as an individual - take it. But others have differing beliefs and have drawn their own conclusions, some valid some not perhaps - not any one individual or company should be insisting either way. If an employer insists an employee takes up the offer of a vaccine (not fully licensed), then decides anyone who refuses is subject to disciplinary action or otherwise, then said employer really is "p!ss!ng in the wind" and will get very wet in time I think.

[highflyer40]

Originally Posted by hamfists

What is the point of the mandate now? There is rock solid data out from everywhere in the world that mRNA vaccinated individuals catch Covid and pass it on at least at the same rate as the unvaccinated. The only person you are protecting by being vaccinated is yourself. That’s undeniable.

How is your own personal risk profile of any concern to anyone else?

I think you need to check your numbers again. Vaccinated people are three times less likely to catch the virus, they then spread it less, and are less likely to end up in hospital.The unvaccinated are just breeding grounds for mutations and variants.

[highflyer40]

Originally Posted by OutsideCAS

Oh, I don't know - maybe just the small issue of a full clinical trial and published results for the former.

The Yellow Fever (vaccine) has gone through such a regimen and has full published results. I understand the need for an "emergency response" vaccine but to suggest such a product should be mandated is and would be (IMHO) a very 'shaky' ground if nothing else, legally. If you wish to take the vaccine, by all means as an individual - take it. But others have differing beliefs and have drawn their own conclusions, some valid some not perhaps - not any one individual or company should be insisting either way. If an employer insists an employee takes up the offer of a vaccine (not fully licensed), then decides anyone who refuses is subject to disciplinary action or otherwise, then said employer really is "p!ss!ng in the wind" and will get very wet in time I think.

I think it’s getting to the point where it’s the other way around. Most regulated industries in the western world (maybe others, but I’m not sure) are requiring vaccination now as a requirement to keep your job. Those other companies that aren’t yet mandated to do it are the ones who are as you say “p!ss!ing in the wind” as they are the ones that will be facing lawsuits if someone were to get seriously ill from an unvaccinated co-worker and the company hadn’t mandated it. I know you will say it’s impossible to prove who you caught it from but in a civil suit you have a lesser standard, and if the unvaccinated person you are sitting next to everyday tests positive and a few days later you test positive and get seriously ill or die, a lawyer will have a field day with that one. And companies will be more afraid of that than the repercussions of mandating a vaccinations. So watch this space, pretty much every business is going to follow the bandwagon, as it’s too risky not to.

[hamfists]

Can anyone else see a major flaw in the vaccine rollout scheme? In NZ our rollout has been so slow, that early vaccinated candidates (elderly/comorbidities) will be due for the boosters before the last group become eligible for their second shots. Is this the same in Australia? Israel Data suggests 5-6 month before Pfizer efficacy wanes.