New Jet2 Captains and First Officers
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New Jet2 Captains and First Officers
Next year new Jet2 captains, and First Officers with enough hours for a rapid command, will be bonded instead of the CTC scheme. They will also be on full salary. Reason given is market conditions.
Pilots currently on the CTC scheme will NOT have their salaries adjusted, and will therefore be on lower salaries to junior pilots. They will be kept to their present contract.
If market conditions dictate new T & C's to attract new joiners, what should the company offer to existing CTC pilots to keep them? Present market conditions should mean Jet2 make as big an effort to keep their present pilot work force as well as attracting new ones.
Where is that Balpa application form?
Pilots currently on the CTC scheme will NOT have their salaries adjusted, and will therefore be on lower salaries to junior pilots. They will be kept to their present contract.
If market conditions dictate new T & C's to attract new joiners, what should the company offer to existing CTC pilots to keep them? Present market conditions should mean Jet2 make as big an effort to keep their present pilot work force as well as attracting new ones.
Where is that Balpa application form?
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the forum is not like that as you would find out if you signed up and took a look. However if you wish to stay here in annonymity and whinge then that is your right. IF however you wish to make a reasoned argument and se if things can be changed then please come to the forum and discuss it.
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the forum is not like that as you would find out if you signed up and took a look. However if you wish to stay here in annonymity and whinge then that is your right. IF however you wish to make a reasoned argument and se if things can be changed then please come to the forum and discuss it.
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Reason given is market conditions.
My friend told me of the contracts that they sent to him last year for the SSTR scheme through CTC. He subsequently turned them down.
Myself, I would rather wait a little longer than get involved with the terms they were offering him. How much money do you have to throw at getting a job.
I am not criticising anyone who works for Jet2. Its just my view and would rather wait a little bit longer for the job that does not cost me an arm to get.
If everyone did the same, all airlines would go back to paying for type ratings and bonding.
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Well, pilot seniority systems are outdated and inefficient anyway. They are nothing more than protectionist and take no more into account than date of entry.
Pilots refer to one another as "junior" or "senior" based only upon service years within a particular company and have no conception of formal education, informal education, years of (useful) experience, imported (into a company or environment) experience and much more. In my experience, the masses tend to cling to this concept since it provides for an effortless (as in: sit still and do nothing) climb to the top of terms and conditions within the limits of their environment.
This self same seniority system has forced companies worldwide to pension their most experienced (and so called SENIOR) pilots off in the prime of their occupational period and also forced companies to promote (or suitably compensate) less than marginal individuals. On the whole; a less than savoury ( and in the rest of the world's industry, unused) policy.
BTW; I am a "well-placed" seniority number out of more than enough pilots on a very good and sought after deal.
Sling your mud as you WILL! These words are only a part of the whole truth.
Pilots refer to one another as "junior" or "senior" based only upon service years within a particular company and have no conception of formal education, informal education, years of (useful) experience, imported (into a company or environment) experience and much more. In my experience, the masses tend to cling to this concept since it provides for an effortless (as in: sit still and do nothing) climb to the top of terms and conditions within the limits of their environment.
This self same seniority system has forced companies worldwide to pension their most experienced (and so called SENIOR) pilots off in the prime of their occupational period and also forced companies to promote (or suitably compensate) less than marginal individuals. On the whole; a less than savoury ( and in the rest of the world's industry, unused) policy.
BTW; I am a "well-placed" seniority number out of more than enough pilots on a very good and sought after deal.
Sling your mud as you WILL! These words are only a part of the whole truth.
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6-String: Your perception of the seniority system is undoubtedly sincerely held - but it is sincerely wrong. I have worked for 5 airlines - only one of which had a seniority system. My current airline, easyJet, does not have a senirity list but I hope that one day it will do so. You rightly point out that seniority is not practiced in many other industries but you fail to mention the unusual nature of airline operations. People in large national carriers (BA lin your case perhaps?) have to wait many years to be eligible for promotion and in doing so build up vast amounts of experience. The overwhelming majority of them are then ready for promotion but there are plenty of ways to stop 'unsuitable' candidates from being promoted.
You are making a veiled reference to 'imported experience'. My own experience of such views is that the only people who hold them are people who feel they are 'better' than the people above them and just want to jump their turn. If someone has demonstrated loyalty to a particular company he should, quite rightly, receive first bite of the cherry when the good deals come.
You suggest that 'marginal' individuals are promoted in a senority-based system. A proper seniority system has protections against that - minimum simulator standards, line checks, personal debriefs and so on. There is ample scope to prevent the 'wrong' people being promoted.
If you rid yourself of the seniority system then the only valid replacement is 'merit' - which in practical terms means corruption. The real problem is who decides the merit order. Before you know it you are having to have the 'right' people round for dinner, be seen in the 'right' places, say the 'right' thing to bosses etc. I have worked in such environments and frankly despise them. Seniority is the only fair system - it works and will continue to do so for many years to come.
You are making a veiled reference to 'imported experience'. My own experience of such views is that the only people who hold them are people who feel they are 'better' than the people above them and just want to jump their turn. If someone has demonstrated loyalty to a particular company he should, quite rightly, receive first bite of the cherry when the good deals come.
You suggest that 'marginal' individuals are promoted in a senority-based system. A proper seniority system has protections against that - minimum simulator standards, line checks, personal debriefs and so on. There is ample scope to prevent the 'wrong' people being promoted.
If you rid yourself of the seniority system then the only valid replacement is 'merit' - which in practical terms means corruption. The real problem is who decides the merit order. Before you know it you are having to have the 'right' people round for dinner, be seen in the 'right' places, say the 'right' thing to bosses etc. I have worked in such environments and frankly despise them. Seniority is the only fair system - it works and will continue to do so for many years to come.
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Some of us have a bit of fight in us! Not a matter of growing up, it is a matter of standing up and improving existing pilots T & C's. Glad you are not on my side in a fight, I'd look around and see you running in the opposite direction!
Some of us have a bit of fight in us! Not a matter of growing up, it is a matter of standing up and improving existing pilots T & C's. Glad you are not on my side in a fight, I'd look around and see you running in the opposite direction!
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Originally Posted by Smudger
I was a bit tipsy when I posted that, I guess I was just sh** stirring to get a reaction. And I did! And by the way, I don't run away.
